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SICK CALLS UP BIGTIME

Checked canx today and as of about 7pm they were showing 32 flights canx crew.


Frankly I think the airline was safer because of it.

But an even more interesting question is where were the planes? Planes stuck outside of a hub without a qualified crew are a real beeotch.
 
A Question? Did or Did not USAIR back in the 1990's WHEN they were in a possible merger with UNITED AIRLINES have the ALPA Merger Language changed so that it would save your positions and now AWA used the same life line you your self were going to use on UAL? You do know some knifes come with TWO sharp sides. If I got bad INFO please show me the facts. One last thing when the rest of us at USAIR who are not ALPA MEMBERS who have family's, you know little kids to feed and make 1/10 what your wage is, are out of jobs because YOUR Union Busted one off in you back side, I hope you can sleep well. If the Company did it I can understand but union to union and then hurt the rest of us who may or may not get a little profit sharing because of your me me me pilot group. ALPA THE A&P's (MX) BOYS AT NWA THANKYOU FOR YOUR NON SUPPORT, By the way when has a pilot group supported another Union Picket??? Ooh that's right me me me.....
 
Why are you making the passengers suffer because YOUR UNION made a decision? The passengers had NOTHING to do with this. Stop paying your dues if you do not like the decision because YOUR union made the decision, not the fools in Tempe, not the west pilots and certainly not our passengers!
 
Why are you making the passengers suffer because YOUR UNION made a decision? The passengers had NOTHING to do with this. Stop paying your dues if you do not like the decision because YOUR union made the decision, not the fools in Tempe, not the west pilots and certainly not our passengers!

Are you just crazy or what? The pilots have to stand up and show them (company and union) that they are a force to reckon with. Calling in sick will put pressure on the company to help ratify a new aggreement.. If I were them I would be doing everything in my power as well. This is a truly sad thing that has happened.. I wouldn't wish it on anyone..
 
5/5 MCO to CMH - and CMH to PHL was canceled, lack of a captain. Our captain would have timmed out in CMH, so they created 9011 a flight MCO to PHL.
 
Just rememeber how much it cost the APA when they did the sickout at AA, $45 Million, hope AAA has deep pockets.

DALLAS (CNN) -- Saying it made him "sick to his stomach," a federal judge hit the American Airlines pilots Allied Pilots Association Thursday with a $45.5 million compensatory damage award for contempt for staging a sickout against the airline.

U.S. District Judge Joe Kendall held the Allied Pilots Association (APA) in contempt in February over the job action that led to the cancellation of nearly 6,700 American flights.

Allied Pilots Association officials say they will appeal. If upheld, however, the fine could wipe out the Allied Pilots Association financially. APA officials claim the Allied Pilots Association is worth about $38 million.

"We're obviously disappointed by the judge's award," said APA President Rich LaVoy. "We think we're a long way from this being fully adjudicated."

American Airlines spokesperson Andrea Rader said the airline takes "no particular pleasure" in the verdict.

Kendall acknowledged his decision might devastate the Allied Pilots Association financially.

"A lot of very fine people are going to be hurt and hurt badly by this ruling," Kendall said in handing down the decision.

During a two-day hearing earlier this week, Kendall heard testimony from the Allied Pilots Association and the airline about how much each side believed the incident cost the carrier.


Dollars to days out

About 2,500 pilots called in sick during the 11 days of the sickout that stemmed from a dispute over the integration of pilots from Reno Air. Reno pilots make about half of what American pilots earn.

American claimed the entire sickout cost the company more than $225 million.

The contempt hearing, however, focused on the two-day period that began with Kendall's February 10 back-to-work order and ending when pilots were cited with contempt and returned to the cockpit by the thousands on February 12.

The airline contends it could have resumed normal operations more quickly had pilots returned to their jobs soon after the judge ordered them to end the sickout.

"We would have recovered the airline two days earlier," said Tim Ahern, American's vice president for operations and scheduling.

Charts compiled by the airline showed that the number of pilots calling in sick actually increased after the back-to- work order.

American witnesses estimated losses for that two-day period at $50.96 million. Expert witnesses for the Allied Pilots Association put the losses at between $1-$4.5 million.

In handing down the fine, Kendall rejected Allied Pilots Association estimates as "unbelievable" and sided with American.


Another $10 million due Monday

As part of his ruling, Judge Kendall ordered the Allied Pilots Association to put up an additional $10 million by 4 p.m. Monday as a down payment on the damages. The Allied Pilots Association was ordered in February to place $10 million with the court in preparation of a fine.

Lawyers for both sides were asked to submit briefs on how the remaining $25.5 million should be collected and whether Allied Pilots Association officials should be held personally liable for the money.

In earlier testimony, witnesses for the APA said pilot work rules and contractual agreements prevented pilots from returning to work more quickly. But Kendall frequently interrupted airline industry analyst Robert Mann Jr. and at one point said Mann's comments and analysis were unclear.

The Allied Pilots Association contended that the sickout was a response to the stress of the labor dispute over Reno Air. Allied Pilots Association officials said the $45 million fine is not likely to prompt another job action. The issue over Reno Air remains unresolved.

"We're very disappointed the judge would come up with this number," LaVoy said. "If we're going to go forward, this is not the way to resolve the problems. It is a shame that we've come to this."

Labor peace at American has long been an issue. American spokesperson Rader says she hopes the award ends the dispute, which inconvenienced an estimated 670,000 passengers.

"They're victims of this -- as are we," she said. "We went to court to get the sickout to stop. We want to close this chapter and get on with labor peace."
 
Just rememeber how much it cost the APA when they did the sickout at AA, $45 Million, hope AAA has deep pockets.


Like the East pilots would care if ALPA got sued by a judge. They would probably relish the hit to ALPA at this point.
 
You will care when they seek more money from you.
 
You will care when they seek more money from you.

If it brings about change, so be it. I for one am and have been an advocate for a National Seniority list even though my carrier has fared better than others. A consistent merger policy based on DOH is the first start, followed by some collective will at National. It was the only hope for a profession that continues to backslide and this abomination of a merger list, will forever preclude any hope.
 
The West didnt do anything! They as well as your "precious" East pilots could not agree to a fair way to integrate the senoirty list, it then went to an arbitrator to decide..now since both sides could work on it themselves, it was left to an outsider to make the decision for them.

Did we cut in line when the non rev policy was decided to go Year of hire? NO! we accepted it and moved on...NOW that you didnt get what you wanted, you take it out on our passengers and cancel flights because you didnt get your way?? That is what puts the company in jeopardy and headed to a possible trip to bankruptcy! Get a life and accept it and move forward or just quit and let the rest of us be happy with whats left of a company to work for.
THERE IS ONLY ONE FAIR WAY TO INTERGRATE THE SENIORITY LIST: DATE OF HIRE!!
 
Just rememeber how much it cost the APA when they did the sickout at AA, $45 Million, hope AAA has deep pockets.


Um, APA never paid it. Never had to pay it. Stop watching Faux News and think a little.
 
A Question? Did or Did not USAIR back in the 1990's WHEN they were in a possible merger with UNITED AIRLINES have the ALPA Merger Language changed so that it would save your positions and now AWA used the same life line you your self were going to use on UAL? You do know some knifes come with TWO sharp sides.

A question that allows only a black or white answer, followed by a judgement, implying you know the answer. Too bad, in a 50/50 situation, you lost.

It was the UAL dudes that expanded the factors to consider in a merger from just DOH to other things like how one dresses.

If I got bad INFO please show me the facts.

Sounds to me like your mind is pretty well made up that no matter what the "facts", you will always try to justify your mindset. If not, Google is your friend.

One last thing when the rest of us at USAIR who are not ALPA MEMBERS who have family's, you know little kids to feed and make 1/10 what your wage is, are out of jobs because YOUR Union Busted one off in you back side, I hope you can sleep well. If the Company did it I can understand but union to union and then hurt the rest of us who may or may not get a little profit sharing because of your me me me pilot group. ALPA THE A&P's (MX) BOYS AT NWA THANKYOU FOR YOUR NON SUPPORT, By the way when has a pilot group supported another Union Picket??? Ooh that's right me me me.....

Quite a few instances that has happened. At American, the pilots have supported the F/As as well as the other way around to excellent effect. Though not publicized for lawsuit reasons, it happens (IAM strike at LAX domicile).

A word of advice. Should you wish another union to support your efforts, you, personally, really should consider holding your tongue and staying off the keyboard.
 
Are you just crazy or what? The pilots have to stand up and show them (company and union) that they are a force to reckon with. Calling in sick will put pressure on the company to help ratify a new aggreement.. If I were them I would be doing everything in my power as well. This is a truly sad thing that has happened.. I wouldn't wish it on anyone..
The company cant help it not in there hands,ALPA did it.
 
The company cant help it not in there hands,ALPA did it.

If there has actually been an increase in sick calls, I think you believe that has been an effort. My guess it's actually a lack of effort or indifference, or the I don't care about this company or job syndrome. Is it related to what just happened? Probably it is but not directly, just human nature taking over.

Refusing to negotiate a single contract to keep the list separatewould be a concerted or organized effort but that affects no one other than pilots or ALPA. Hard for anyone other than a pilot to complain about that.
 
One would think ALPO would change its stance on age 60 now----if they dont-- bet the young lady at PHL ALPO office will be swamped with auto payroll deduction stop requests----BTW which is very easy to do---she did mine in about one minute. Only way to get your point across IMHO.
 
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