Sick Policy

[formerislandgirl]

I just recently returned from furlough. Can someone Please explain to me how this sick policy put on the CWA happened through our Union. I finally read the whole policy and can't believe how bad it is.
Our all the other union groups under this same policy?

 

[john john]

I just recently returned from furlough. Can someone Please explain to me how this sick policy put on the CWA happened through our Union. I finally read the whole policy and can't believe how bad it is.
Our all the other union groups under this same policy?

http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20090412102856/http://www.cwa.net/ (go to the bottom )

Talk to your local and ask what is going on with the company policy with the union



This is the last communication from CWA


US AIRWAYS NEW ACP AND DISCIPLINE POLICY-FAQ 
November 25, 2008
IBT/CWA Association
11/25 -Update from the IBT/CWA Association regarding the Attendance and Discipline policy; It is the Association’s position that the entire policy is invalid and will not be recognized by it. Our attorneys are in the process of drafting a letter from the Association to the Company stating our position in more detail.

 

[formerislandgirl]

http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20090412102856/http://www.cwa.net/ (go to the bottom )

Talk to your local and ask what is going on with the company policy with the union



This is the last communication from CWA


US AIRWAYS NEW ACP AND DISCIPLINE POLICY-FAQ 
November 25, 2008
IBT/CWA Association
11/25 -Update from the IBT/CWA Association regarding the Attendance and Discipline policy; It is the Association’s position that the entire policy is invalid and will not be recognized by it. Our attorneys are in the process of drafting a letter from the Association to the Company stating our position in more detail.

what a joke, since 2008. Why hasn't anyone been fighting this......it is terrible. I will write to him and ask, but funny thing is he never replies....

 

[Harry Callahan]

I know what the company did to it's Fleet Service employees super sucks, I've had a ruff go the last couple of weeks & have had to use some sick day & now slipped below whatever the magic number of days is to get paid full pay for the first few days & now as a result of this it's hitting me hard in the pockets as well as having been ill.

Before any one tells me the union agreed to that I understand although I did not vote for our P.O. S. contract & this is something that has GOT to change in the next contract. If one has sick days one should be able to use them without fear of loss of pay causing more burdens. IMO this only shows how much US HATES all employees that they would even let this happen & quite frankly I can never forgive them.

 

[SpinDoc]

I know what the company did to it's Fleet Service employees super sucks, I've had a ruff go the last couple of weeks & have had to use some sick day & now slipped below whatever the magic number of days is to get paid full pay for the first few days & now as a result of this it's hitting me hard in the pockets as well as having been ill.

Harry:

The policy has a purpose, and it is designed to prevent fraud and excessive abuse of sick time. If employees are legitimately sick, then they should be able to provide documentation from their physician to substantiate their time away from work. The US Airways Fleet Services sick policy doesn't penalize for documented, excused absences. On the other hand, it allows for 7 undocumented, unexcused absences in a rolling 12 month period, which is very generous. Following the internal company disciplinary process, it would take 8 unexcused absences in a rolling 12 month period before someone is terminated. If you asked me, 7 free days per year of playing hookey is too many. It hurts morale and productivity. Why can't people just be responsible and show up for work when they are scheduled to?

 

[charlie Brown]

Harry:

The policy has a purpose, and it is designed to prevent fraud and excessive abuse of sick time. If employees are legitimately sick, then they should be able to provide documentation from their physician to substantiate their time away from work. The US Airways Fleet Services sick policy doesn't penalize for documented, excused absences. On the other hand, it allows for 7 undocumented, unexcused absences in a rolling 12 month period, which is very generous. Following the internal company disciplinary process, it would take 8 unexcused absences in a rolling 12 month period before someone is terminated. If you asked me, 7 free days per year of playing hookey is too many. It hurts morale and productivity. Why can't people just be responsible and show up for work when they are scheduled to?

SpinDoc

I have a question for ya. Lets say I have 5 points in a 12month period because of calling out sick 5 times. That takes me to level one. Then I go 11 months with perfect attendance and call out becuase I have car trouble on the 11month. Thats 2 points. I just went from calling out sick 5 times in a year, to calling out only 1 time the next year, but under the attendance control policy I still progress to level 2. Even with that big of improvement. Do you think that is fair?? The attendance program dosent award you for doing better. IMO if you do better from year to year there should be some reward to the employee for improving.

 

[PHL]

SpinDoc

I have a question for ya. Lets say I have 5 points in a 12month period because of calling out sick 5 times. That takes me to level one. Then I go 11 months with perfect attendance and call out becuase I have car trouble on the 11month. Thats 2 points. I just went from calling out sick 5 times in a year, to calling out only 1 time the next year, but under the attendance control policy I still progress to level 2. Even with that big of improvement. Do you think that is fair?? The attendance program dosent award you for doing better. IMO if you do better from year to year there should be some reward to the employee for improving.

I'm in my 40's and have worked since I was 18. I don't think I've called out sick more than 2 or 3 days per year, at the most. I've known other coworkers who took far more sick days each year, and they didn't have to provide any documentation. Oh - and I have not been in a union represented job since I was 25.

Frankly, if you have to keep taking off days for an illness of sorts, whatever that may be, you should be seeing a doctor who can easily provide written evidence to your employer. If not, then suck it up and look for another job that's not so stringent on sick days.

The fact is that sick days are abused. I see nothing wrong with a policy that gives a limited number of "freebies" before requiring a doctor's note.

 

[Jester]

Harry:

The policy has a purpose, and it is designed to prevent fraud and excessive abuse of sick time. If employees are legitimately sick, then they should be able to provide documentation from their physician to substantiate their time away from work. The US Airways Fleet Services sick policy doesn't penalize for documented, excused absences. On the other hand, it allows for 7 undocumented, unexcused absences in a rolling 12 month period, which is very generous. Following the internal company disciplinary process, it would take 8 unexcused absences in a rolling 12 month period before someone is terminated. If you asked me, 7 free days per year of playing hookey is too many. It hurts morale and productivity. Why can't people just be responsible and show up for work when they are scheduled to?

Spin,

The policy has been grossly unfair, in particular, its retroactivity whereby fleet service agents were on Level 3 from the first day of it implementation, and often times people were NOT under any type of warning. If someone was late due to TSA security lines, then that was a 1/2 point for which no knew it was going to count against the employee later. Get one of those a month, three sick days spread-out during the year and agent is on a Level 3 -- I would hardly call that 'abusive'.

In addition, a doctor's note does not clear one from "earning" points. It is a requirement after 2 or 3 sick days in a row. That's the sad joke of the system -- earn sick days, but afraid to use them in order to avoid a Level. Get on a Level and it is difficult to get off of it because it allows only 1.5 points in 12 consecutive months or move up another Level (or termination at Level 3) and start another 12 months of being clean.

The reality is that 15 years in one's life and eventually, they will have a "bad year" in terms of health issues, and this policy does not recognize the years, if not decades, an employee has been an outstanding, reliable worker, but simply looks at those last 12 months. Southwest Airlines has a system that recognizes those otherwise reliable employees but people having "negative points" for which the lowest Level is not zero, but rather less than zero and good employees can avoid an automatic level.

I have little patience for people making phony sick calls, but this system has also managed to catch otherwise good employees who were victims of the Company's retroactivity or a particular bad years in health.

So Opines Jester.

 

[wings396]

Harry:

The policy has a purpose, and it is designed to prevent fraud and excessive abuse of sick time. If employees are legitimately sick, then they should be able to provide documentation from their physician to substantiate their time away from work. The US Airways Fleet Services sick policy doesn't penalize for documented, excused absences. On the other hand, it allows for 7 undocumented, unexcused absences in a rolling 12 month period, which is very generous. Following the internal company disciplinary process, it would take 8 unexcused absences in a rolling 12 month period before someone is terminated. If you asked me, 7 free days per year of playing hookey is too many. It hurts morale and productivity. Why can't people just be responsible and show up for work when they are scheduled to?

I disagree, the current sick policy ENCOURAGES Abuse. Most feel that calling in sick for multiple days instead of one is the way to go. One day off at 1/2 pay equals one point, and 5 days off gets you a few days at full pay, and also equals ONE point...Get the picture? The 1/2 pay is pure crap, if you have the hours in your bank, you should be paid for them period. I have known several people who came to work sick as a dog because they didn't want to lose 4 hours of pay. They ended up getting sicker, and taking several days off anyway. Not to mention that they also made others sick who ended up calling out for a few days. So while the company continues to "think" that they are getting over on us with the 1/2 day of pay, it is really costing them more in the end.

 

[nascarjoe]

Harry:

The policy has a purpose, and it is designed to prevent fraud and excessive abuse of sick time. If employees are legitimately sick, then they should be able to provide documentation from their physician to substantiate their time away from work. The US Airways Fleet Services sick policy doesn't penalize for documented, excused absences. On the other hand, it allows for 7 undocumented, unexcused absences in a rolling 12 month period, which is very generous. Following the internal company disciplinary process, it would take 8 unexcused absences in a rolling 12 month period before someone is terminated. If you asked me, 7 free days per year of playing hookey is too many. It hurts morale and productivity. Why can't people just be responsible and show up for work when they are scheduled to?

hey Doc, you say the sick policy doesn't penalize for documented, excused absences. I have to disagree, you get charged one point for an excused absences like being sick (with doctors note) and two points for unexcused absences like car problems. Only excused absences is if you are out on a leave or have FMLA.

 

[formerislandgirl]

hey Doc, you say the sick policy doesn't penalize for documented, excused absences. I have to disagree, you get charged one point for an excused absences like being sick (with doctors note) and two points for unexcused absences like car problems. Only excused absences is if you are out on a leave or have FMLA.

I am not one who has abused the system. But I am getting older now and that is why for so many years I never abused it, so I would have sick time that I could use in case something were to happen. Now seems if I have a flat tire, have some health issues I will lose my job. This system is a joke. I still have not figured out why we are paying union dues, when they just allow the company to do anything they want.

 

[700UW]

The company doesnt do anything they want, there is no Attendance Policy in the CBA, so its management rights, the union has the right to grieve it.

 

[wings396]

The company doesnt do anything they want, there is no Attendance Policy in the CBA, so its management rights, the union has the right to grieve it.

The IAM has been playing with this one for a while now... Can't wait to see the outcome of this "battle".

 

[Hope777]

The company doesnt do anything they want, there is no Attendance Policy in the CBA, so its management rights, the union has the right to grieve it.

700, The COMPANY has changed the Policy Mid-CBA.

 

[john john]

The company doesnt do anything they want, there is no Attendance Policy in the CBA, so its management rights, the union has the right to grieve it.

Article 3 -Recognition and Scope
F.
The Union recognizes that the Company shall have sole
jurisdiction, subject to the terms of this Agreement, over the
management and operation of its business, the direction of
its working force, the right to establish rules and regulations,
to maintain efficiency in its place of employment, and the
right of the Company to hire, promote, demote, select for
training, discipline and discharge employees. It is agreed that
the rights listed here shall not be deemed to exclude other
pre-existing rights of management not listed which do not
conflict with other provisions of this Agreement.