Target and Wal-Mart employee job action Black Friday

[Ms Tree]

All depends on what your willing to pay for whatever he's ringing up...................$9.89 for a Big Mac maybe?

Im not sure that would be needed. According to ABC the cost of a Big Mac would go from $3.99 to $4.67 if th kin wage went to $15/hr. Where did you get your info??

 

[Ms Tree]

In short:
We are guaranteed an equal OPPORTUNITY
NOT an equal OUTCOME

So what happens to those who for what ever reaskn cant cut it? Cull the heard?

Im.with Kev on this one. Equal opportunity? In the US? When did this happen?

 

[SparrowHawk]

So what happens to those who for what ever reaskn cant cut it? Cull the heard?

Im.with Kev on this one. Equal opportunity? In the US? When did this happen?

It's "More" equal then anyplace else so ergo it becomes a valid measurement standard, NOT a measurement of perfection. Social Darwinism is impractical in a modern diverse society. So what then is the answer? We've seen numerous examples of what doesn't work .All you need to is travel to Pine Ridge, SD for proof that 100 years of a government safety net is not even remotely the answer anymore than pure social Darwinism is. You also have to face the unpleasant fact that no matter how much you "help" someone there is a percentage who can't, don't or won't turn themselves around. Those members of the herd do indeed need to be culled. With others it is clear that a One size fits all solution from the Feds isn't working.

 

[Ms Tree]

It's "More" equal then anyplace else so ergo it becomes a valid measurement standard, NOT a measurement of perfection. Social Darwinism is impractical in a modern diverse society. So what then is the answer? We've seen numerous examples of what doesn't work .All you need to is travel to Pine Ridge, SD for proof that 100 years of a government safety net is not even remotely the answer anymore than pure social Darwinism is. You also have to face the unpleasant fact that no matter how much you "help" someone there is a percentage who can't, don't or won't turn themselves around. Those members of the herd do indeed need to be culled. With others it is clear that a One size fits all solution from the Feds isn't working.

Thats all very nice but it does not answer the question. What happens with the folks who cant make it? So when you say cull the heard do you mean we just let people die? Send to a deserted island? Put them in front of a firing sqaud? What?

 

[delldude]

Thats all very nice but it does not answer the question. What happens with the folks who cant make it? So when you say cull the heard do you mean we just let people die? Send to a deserted island? Put them in front of a firing sqaud? What?

 
They usually end up living below bridges in our finest cities.

 

[southwind]

Im not sure that would be needed. According to ABC the cost of a Big Mac would go from $3.99 to $4.67 if th kin wage went to $15/hr. Where did you get your info??

#1 I wouldn't pay $3.99 for a Bic Mac, let alone $4.67!
#2 Wouldn't the dude paying $4.67 for a Big Mac have to have his "LIVING WAGE" increased, in order to afford that Big Mac?
#3 In 2 years, the people slinging burgers would be complaining about only making $15/hr !
#4 Exactly how much, in dollar amount, would a McDonalds employee, frying french fries have to be paid, in order to achieve a "Living Wage" and who determines it ?

 

[WorldTraveler]

So what happens to those who for what ever reaskn cant cut it? Cull the heard?

Im.with Kev on this one. Equal opportunity? In the US? When did this happen?

 
there are abundant social welfare systems and a public school system that provides abundant opportunities and is paid for whether one owns anything in a community or not. 
 
I have a hard time finding examples of people who have soared to the top of their class in the US' public education system but end up flipping burgers or working at Wal-Mart on a long-term basis.

 

[Ms Tree]

#1 I wouldn't pay $3.99 for a Bic Mac, let alone $4.67!
#2 Wouldn't the dude paying $4.67 for a Big Mac have to have his "LIVING WAGE" increased, in order to afford that Big Mac?
#3 In 2 years, the people slinging burgers would be complaining about only making $15/hr !
#4 Exactly how much, in dollar amount, would a McDonalds employee, frying french fries have to be paid, in order to achieve a "Living Wage" and who determines it ?

Got it. You got the $9.99 price from the same place you get the rest of your info.

 

[Ms Tree]

 
there are abundant social welfare systems and a public school system that provides abundant opportunities and is paid for whether one owns anything in a community or not. 
 
I have a hard time finding examples of people who have soared to the top of their class in the US' public education system but end up flipping burgers or working at Wal-Mart on a long-term basis.

I thought the goal was to get away from welfare programs. I was under the impression they are expensive and inefficient.

What does that have to do with anything? I thought we were talking about folks who just get through school or do not go at all for various reasons.

 

[southwind]

Got it. You got the $9.99 price from the same place you get the rest of your info.

You can't answer the questions....got it !

 

[Ms Tree]

You can't answer the questions....got it !

You made the assertion that a burger would cost $10. Why dont you prove your statement?

I dont think a $.68 increase would require wage increase.

Not sure how to determine it. How do they do it now? May be itncan be tied to inflation or something. Im not an economist so Im not sure. I do not believe the current min is adequate.

 

[Kev3188]

It's "More" equal then anyplace else...

Again; I'm not seeing it. In fact, if anything, I'd say we've been trending the other way over the last 20-30 years...

 

[WorldTraveler]

I thought the goal was to get away from welfare programs. I was under the impression they are expensive and inefficient.

What does that have to do with anything? I thought we were talking about folks who just get through school or do not go at all for various reasons.

I completely agree that welfare should not be a backstop... but neither is there any more right that someone attain a certain standard of living that is above the minimum wage.

The US educational system is one of the world's largest free systems (to users). I am well aware that it costs a lot of people a lot of money but anyone can get a good public education. And there are laws that provide access to btter schools if one is not fortunate enough to have good schools in one's neighborhood.

The minimum wage is the legal basis for an acceptable lifestyle. I am certainly not arguing that it is adequate but attempting to say that a person is entitled to something above that level is not supported by law in the US, even if other countries have chosen to add far more to what is considered "minimum".

 

[southwind]

You made the assertion that a burger would cost $10. Why dont you prove your statement?I dont think a $.68 increase would require wage increase.Not sure how to determine it. How do they do it now? May be itncan be tied to inflation or something. Im not an economist so Im not sure. I do not believe the current min is adequate.

So I take since it will only be .68 more, your only expecting Mcdonalds to pay a "Living Wage" and other companys to not follow suit because if they do it will cost the everyday consumer more to live thereby forcing their respective companys to pay an even higher "living wage"!

Btw...do you believe you should be able to raise a family, flipping burgers?

 

[Ms Tree]

I completely agree that welfare should not be a backstop... but neither is there any more right that someone attain a certain standard of living that is above the minimum wage.

The US educational system is one of the world's largest free systems (to users). I am well aware that it costs a lot of people a lot of money but anyone can get a good public education. And there are laws that provide access to btter schools if one is not fortunate enough to have good schools in one's neighborhood.

The minimum wage is the legal basis for an acceptable lifestyle. I am certainly not arguing that it is adequate but attempting to say that a person is entitled to something above that level is not supported by law in the US, even if other countries have chosen to add far more to what is considered "minimum".

Necer said there was. I do not think the min wage is adequate.

What law aee you referring to?

I agree with this as well but belive th wage needs to be raised.