Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[767one]

Guys....Please remember that the few guys that have been carrying out these actions are just that....a few... Doug said in his State of the union it was about 100. I have flown with many who have openly said that they were "not on board!" There have been numerous complaints sent to corporate from fellow employees who are fed up. Not too mention the hundreds of Charimans who have caught on to what has been happening! Bravo Doug!

usfliboy,


I'm on board with safety. I have been late almost all of the month of July and I keep records and every time I have been late it has not been my fault. For instance there are particular flights into PHX for PHL that NEVER have a gate available in PHX untill after all connex. are busted. These flights are scheduled this way and if you bring this up to management? their answer is that marketing schedules these flights to dept. PHL to compete with another airline (SW) in order to be competitive. The problem is that the SW customers make their connex. and our pax don't so next time they book they book with SW. I have had mtc issues brought to my attention at the last min. before departure. Would you have me ignore a flight attendant when they tell me a circuit breaker popped or something else comes up whether it be an hr. before departure or 30 sec. before door closure? This company has trained me to pick the fly #### out of the pepper and they problem with this is that after a while it all looks the same and you end up throwing a way a lot of good pepper and eating a lot of fly ####. On occasions the same people who want me to fly safely want to ignore some things so we can get to PHL in time for them to make their connections to home. You cant always have it both ways!


Regards,


Bob

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Management had the ability to solve or even prevent this years ago! Those chose not to. They are reaping what they have sown.

East pilots had the ability to solve or prevent this years ago, by entering into a binding agreement, oh, wait they did that...then they reneged on their agreement.....

They are reaping what they have sown, and soon, their phony union will be bankrupt.

Do your jobs.....or you are out the door.

 

[usfliboi]

Management had the ability to solve or even prevent this years ago! Those chose not to. They are reaping what they have sown.

I guess time will tell who reaps what?

 

[Res Judicata]

They are reaping what they have sown.

Keep that in mind when USAPAs membership get's raped out of tens of millions of dollars for their behavior...and hands you your share of the bill. The West isn't part of this BTW and we aren't required to pay a dime.

 

[700UW]

Cleary and the BPR are in way over their heads, they have no clue on how to run a union, nor negotiate a fair contract for ALL its members.

Just look at the track record:

A union created to circumvent a binding arbitration award, a binding arbitration.

Lost a DFR, got lucky upon appeal.

Try to sue its own members and it got tossed out of court.

Being sued by its employer to show that they cant get out of a binding arbitration award.

Suing the company back, claiming the company is not negotiating in good faith, even though their is a mediator involved.

It is planning on suing the PBGC, even though the pension termination was legal and every other group lost their pension a couple of years later.

The only person benefiting from this is Lee Seham, he lost his cash cow of AMFA and PFAA at NW and has to make up his earning shortfalls some where else.

He is an anti-union and USAPA has not done their due diligence in looking into his background before throwing money away at him , making him rich, screwing your members and he is laughing all the way to the bank.

There is enough information out the on what happened to APA pliots at AA, ALPA pilots at UA, Mechanics at UA and NW both sued and lost by their respective companies and got TRO's issued against them.

Having Cleary going up against Glass and the rest of the labor relation thieves is like bring a slingshot to a massive gun fight.

USAPA has lost sight of what a union is and what a union is for, and you pilots will keep being the bottom feeders until you all get your act together.

 

[usfliboi]

usfliboy,
'Bob,

There is NOt a safety issue at this airline! The record shows that. What has been going on is nothing other than intentional by a few... I am not saying the company hasnt made mistakes...they have! I am not quite sure what your posting was trying to say however I know exactly what is going on and so do all other "not on board"
employees.

I'm on board with safety. I have been late almost all of the month of July and I keep records and every time I have been late it has not been my fault. For instance there are particular flights into PHX for PHL that NEVER have a gate available in PHX untill after all connex. are busted. These flights are scheduled this way and if you bring this up to management? their answer is that marketing schedules these flights to dept. PHL to compete with another airline (SW) in order to be competitive. The problem is that the SW customers make their connex. and our pax don't so next time they book they book with SW. I have had mtc issues brought to my attention at the last min. before departure. Would you have me ignore a flight attendant when they tell me a circuit breaker popped or something else comes up whether it be an hr. before departure or 30 sec. before door closure? This company has trained me to pick the fly #### out of the pepper and they problem with this is that after a while it all looks the same and you end up throwing a way a lot of good pepper and eating a lot of fly ####. On occasions the same people who want me to fly safely want to ignore some things so we can get to PHL in time for them to make their connections to home. You cant always have it both ways!


Regards,


Bob

 

[flybynite]

Ok. How do you explain the slow taxi times? This issue is also part of the lawsuit.

I'm sure the pilots can explain it better than me but when you have 600 plus take-offs a day you're going to have a line of aircraft waiting to take-off. And with the banks that the company has created....that line can get long.

The company has created this hot mess.

 

[767one]

Ok. How do you explain the slow taxi times? This issue is also part of the lawsuit.

Slow taxi times......That is easy, for instance when taxiing to a gate at PHX and told you have opposite direction traffic and not to pass a certain intersection untill the opposite direction traffic is out of your way. Or you have told the flight attendants to expect a short taxi and realize that they have not started the safety tape untill you almost at the runway, or you had a runway change and CLP has not sent you weight and balance , or you have many aircraft in front of you for takeoff and know that as long as you are moving most of the passengers are happy but become unhappy if you sit for a while so you move slowly so as to continue moving until you are number 1 for takeoff. The reasons for taxiing slowly are inumeralble and valid but you don't always have the time to explain them to others. Of course we could do it the SW way and taxi at 50 kts. untill we reach the traffic jam and then slam on the brakes and screech to a halt! That always impresses the pax! There are many more reasons a pilot might chose to taxi slowly and he or she would see them as a safe operation and those that are so inclined would see it as a slow down!


Regards,


Bob

 

[SparrowHawk]

IF, I were a pilot at US Airways I'd be talking to my financial advisers and begin to make myself as judgement proof as possible. Transfer of assets, getting as much of my assets liquid as possible, sell the house, you name it. If I was near retirement age I'd seriously consider retirement and a move to Belize where it's cheap to live and there is a robust ex-pat community and it's a short hop to the Cayman Islands where it's real hard for the Feds to find your cash.

IMO this is likely not going to end well and preservation of your hard earned assets should IMO be your first priority. It's time to get your personal house in order and to hell with USAPA, US Airways, ALPA, Alpo whomever and focus the ugly mug in the mirror and those that care for that ugly mug.

Hide your assets fella's cause Jerry Glass is coming with the Big Iron on his Hip

 

[HPearlyretiree]

I'm sure the pilots can explain it better than me but when you have 600 plus take-offs a day you're going to have a line of aircraft waiting to take-off. And with the banks that the company has created....that line can get long.

The company has created this hot mess.

Really? I was on an east crewed flight from SAN to PHX landed at night, no banks going out, none coming in, 3 runways that were empty. Took 20 minutes to taxi to the gate, should take 5. Passengers were mad, I told them about USAPA and how the pilots pull this crap...made them even madder. Besides, the company has the data, I'm sure you could drill it all down to see how busy the airports were, how long other planes took, etc.

No amount of cognitive dissonance is gonna work for this, its pissed off pilots trying to sabotage the airline. Better not do it in the future......

 

[767one]

Management had the ability to solve or even prevent this years ago! Those chose not to. They are reaping what they have sown.

Amen brother Pi!

On one of my flights to PHX this month (no gate until after sched arrival time ), one of our platinum plus or whatever the highest category is handed us his card and said he would never fly this %$#@#$% airline again. This after EVERY crew member involved did everything they could to make sure we got to the gate in time for hime to make his connection which he did not. I think our management? is trying to blame things on others that is their fault.


Regards,


Bob

 

[700UW]

IF, I were a pilot at US Airways I'd be talking to my financial advisers and begin to make myself as judgement proof as possible. Transfer of assets, getting as much of my assets liquid as possible, sell the house, you name it. If I was near retirement age I'd seriously consider retirement and a move to Belize where it's cheap to live and there is a robust ex-pat community and it's a short hop to the Cayman Islands where it's real hard for the Feds to find your cash.

IMO this is likely not going to end well and preservation of your hard earned assets should IMO be your first priority. It's time to get your personal house in order and to hell with USAPA, US Airways, ALPA, Alpo whomever and focus the ugly mug in the mirror and those that care for that ugly mug.

Hide your assets fella's cause Jerry Glass is coming with the Big Iron on his Hip

Actually that is illegal, if they see you have transfered assets after a major lawsuit has been filed, its against the law and you will be subject to criminal charges with more financial penalties.

We went over this before and during when US filed Chapter 11. It's called fraudulent conveyance.

Anything you do to remove your assets from the reach of your creditors after a lawsuit is filed is likely to be a "fraudulent conveyance." That means the courts can and will seek to obtain repossession from the transferee. One specialist in the field says that if you are in a high risk profession or occupation, you must keep some assets (or insurance) available to your creditors or the courts can recover any assets you transfer to relatives or protected entities.

 

[767one]

Really? I was on an east crewed flight from SAN to PHX landed at night, no banks going out, none coming in, 3 runways that were empty. Took 20 minutes to taxi to the gate, should take 5. Passengers were mad, I told them about USAPA and how the pilots pull this crap...made them even madder. Besides, the company has the data, I'm sure you could drill it all down to see how busy the airports were, how long other planes took, etc.

No amount of cognitive dissonance is gonna work for this, its pissed off pilots trying to sabotage the airline. Better not do it in the future......

Could be you don't have the big picture or even a small torn corner of a poor copy of the big picture. All the pissed off pilots doing the worst job they could can't hold a candle to the piss poor job the management? of this company is doing.


Bob

 

[usfliboi]

Actually that is illegal, if they see you have transfered assets after a major lawsuit has been filed, its against the law and you will be subject to criminal charges with more financial penalties.

We went over this before and during when US filed Chapter 11. It's called fraudulent conveyance.

Pilots can do whatever they want to do with their assets...The lawsuit was not against them but the union who represents them..

 

[Pi brat]

East pilots had the ability to solve or prevent this years ago, by entering into a binding agreement, oh, wait they did that...then they reneged on their agreement.....

They are reaping what they have sown, and soon, their phony union will be bankrupt.

Do your jobs.....or you are out the door.

Listen ahole, you don't know what you are talking about. I do my job, and very well thank you, every time I go to work. As I've said on here before, I didn't agree with anyone that would use safety as a job action.

Now that we have cleared that up let's look at your other assumption. By renege I'm guessing you mean forming USAPA and offering a different solution to the mess we are in. I actually agree with you and thought the best course was to stay in ALPA, let several TAs fail the separate vote that was allowed by the transition agreement, then say "What now?". You see, even if we had not changed course, a settlement to this issue was not guaranteed. We did not have a joint contract when the Nic came out, Parker couldn't let a nickle get off the table and was in no hurry to get one and end LOA 93. When the Nic came out, the price of a joint contract went WAY up. Higher in fact than I believe the company would have been willing to pay. The TA allowed either side to veto a joint contract and as a matter of fact a west friend told me they wanted that in there because they thought they would have to use it! You only have to look at our F/As to see that was certainly possible. They have no seniority fight and STILL do not have a joint contract.

Besides being illegal do you know why I objected to using safety as a job action? I won't make you guess. Because it gave the company an out for the stupid decision of ignoring it's pilots safety issues.

You have a great day.