Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[UtterlyUdder]

Like I said, 2 to 2 and the dissent was on ripeness, not merit. Judge Silver sure like to reference Addington in ger hearing.

😱 As of 8:39 this morning (Aug 17 2011) You have 663 posts so far. Do you make your living posting your drivel or are you just plain nasty? <_< You wouldn't like CTL, it's nice there.

 

[A320 Driver]

Like I said, 2 to 2 and the dissent was on ripeness, not merit. Judge Silver sure like to reference Addington in ger hearing.

Why do you put such emphasis on the number of judges involved when it comes to Addington? The only thing that matters is it was overturned on appeal. You can count judges trying to justify your position until the cows come home, but that won't make one bit of difference. It's gone. Judge Silver can do whatever she likes. She can be overturned just as easily as Wake was. Judges don't like that. Don't expect any "gifts" from her. She most likely will follow the law to the letter. If the law is on your side...YOU WIN. Simple as that. But don't expect any new case law to be written coming out of the DJ or DFR II.

Driver

 

[Phoenix]

😱 As of 8:39 this morning (Aug 17 2011) You have 663 posts so far. Do you make your living posting your drivel or are you just plain nasty? <_< You wouldn't like CTL, it's nice there.

He applied for a job impersonating Jerry and is still hopeful that the vote of confidence from the cabbie and the doorman on the morning of his interview will count once his rejection is reconsidered.

 

[Barrister]

Oops.....you forgot to state that that is your humble opinion.

So.....I have been thinking about how you are on here probably more consistantly than anyone else. If you were a regular line pilot, there would be times when you were on a trip and unable to get online for periods of time. Due to that fact, I have to believe that you really are Jerry Glass or his equivelant.....or are sitting junior reserve.

In either case, you opinion is worthless and just propaganda. You don't know squat.

breeze

He is a new hire who will upgrade in 15-20 years.....let him rumble.....it is the only outlet he has!!

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[prechilill]

gimmee your address kid, i got something brown and moist i want to mail you

AH HA! I knew you east guys were perpetrators!

 

[BoeingBoy]

The only thing that matters is it was overturned on appeal.

If it had been overturned, this would all have been over as USAPA would have won. But it wasn't - it was dismissed on ripeness only.

Jim

 

[CallawayGolf]

Why do you put such emphasis on the number of judges involved when it comes to Addington? The only thing that matters is it was overturned on appeal. You can count judges trying to justify your position until the cows come home, but that won't make one bit of difference. It's gone. Judge Silver can do whatever she likes. She can be overturned just as easily as Wake was. Judges don't like that. Don't expect any "gifts" from her. She most likely will follow the law to the letter. If the law is on your side...YOU WIN. Simple as that. But don't expect any new case law to be written coming out of the DJ or DFR II.

Driver

It's not the number of judges involved, it's what their rulings mean going forward. Two judges ruled the matter wasn't ripe and the merits could not be considered for adjudication on a timing basis only. Both of the other two federal judges ruled that the matter was ripe and they allowed the merits to be considered. In the first case a jury determined that USAPA had committed a DFR violation which led to an injunction and the possibility of a damages trial. The second federal judge who considered the matter ripe offered his official opinion on the merits of the case and concurred with the ruling that came out of the lower court.

So the final count is 2/4 judges believed the Addington case was ripe and 2/2 judges who reviewed the merits of the case concurred with the plaintiffs that the union had failed in their responsibility to represent all of their constituents fairly. Those are not good odds for east pilots if/when the matter becomes "unquestionably ripe". Judge Silver is not looking at ripeness, she already determined that the company's request for DJ is already unquestionably ripe and now she is looking at the merits of USAPA's proposed seniority list by drawing on information already presented in the Addington case. You remember that one, right? It's the one where 100% of the federal judges who have looked at the merits have ruled that USAPA cannot set aside the NIC.

 

[Res Judicata]

Financial advice from a 28 year old who bought a new yacht and upgraded to a 7,000 square foot house after Nic was announced?

Any East pilot on a yacht or in a 7000sf house is there for one reason...to clean it.

 

[Move2CLT]

Oops.....you forgot to state that that is your humble opinion.

So.....I have been thinking about how you are on here probably more consistantly than anyone else. If you were a regular line pilot, there would be times when you were on a trip and unable to get online for periods of time. Due to that fact, I have to believe that you really are Jerry Glass or his equivelant.....or are sitting junior reserve.

In either case, you opinion is worthless and just propaganda. You don't know squat.

breeze

Testy, aren't we?

Many years as a grievance chairman qualify me to make that statement. Sure as the sun rises and sets, the remedy phase will come next should you see a favorable ruling. As I've seen many times before and as we're seeing now with our min block time remedy (two years later and you can ask Tracey about that), it can take as long as one side wants it to take. You can expect the same.

By your response I can see that my reality check has upset your fantasy of a snapback. But the truth is the truth and a simple call to your GC will verify my statements.

And trying to fight your paradigm shift by making me out as management is pathetic. These days, iPads, iPhones, and laptops allow for easy access to the boards. We also gave ever-present wifi in most airports. Wifi is wireless access to the Internet btw. And if you really peruse my posts you'll find the gaps. I could also be on medical for all you know too. Either way, trying to deny my truth by writing me IFC as Glass is weak.

Deep down though I'm sure you know I'm a west pilot.

 

[Move2CLT]

Why do you put such emphasis on the number of judges involved when it comes to Addington? The only thing that matters is it was overturned on appeal. You can count judges trying to justify your position until the cows come home, but that won't make one bit of difference. It's gone. Judge Silver can do whatever she likes. She can be overturned just as easily as Wake was. Judges don't like that. Don't expect any "gifts" from her. She most likely will follow the law to the letter. If the law is on your side...YOU WIN. Simple as that. But don't expect any new case law to be written coming out of the DJ or DFR II.

Driver

Overturned?!?! You're clueless old man, clueless.

 

[Move2CLT]

😱 As of 8:39 this morning (Aug 17 2011) You have 663 posts so far. Do you make your living posting your drivel or are you just plain nasty? <_< You wouldn't like CTL, it's nice there.

What's your point cow tits? Sounds like you hate hearing the truth.

I like being here with you guys. Your groveling makes me laugh.

 

[Move2CLT]

He applied for a job impersonating Jerry and is still hopeful that the vote of confidence from the cabbie and the doorman on the morning of his interview will count once his rejection is reconsidered.

That's awesome PHX!! Very funny.

 

[Move2CLT]

He is a new hire who will upgrade in 15-20 years.....let him rumble.....it is the only outlet he has!!

NICDOA
NPJB

Already have my left seat. Just waiting for my seat out in CLT. I'll be able to hold AB Capt right away.

And at this rate you'll be on LOA93 for 15-20 years. LMAO!!

 

[Pi brat]

Already have my left seat. Just waiting for my seat out in CLT. I'll be able to hold AB Capt right away.

And at this rate you'll be on LOA93 for 15-20 years. LMAO!!

Your conflicting logic above again confounds me.

From you post you will either:

A)Not be movin' on up to CLT for 15-20 years if we are on LOA 93 that long. Yeah, in 15-20 years I think anyone currently employed will be able to be an A320 captain in CLT, if we are still flying them.

or
B) You will be movin' on up to CLT ON a joint contract that is LOA 93.

 

[Reed Richards]

Testy, aren't we?

Many years as a grievance chairman qualify me to make that statement. Sure as the sun rises and sets, the remedy phase will come next should you see a favorable ruling. As I've seen many times before and as we're seeing now with our min block time remedy (two years later and you can ask Tracey about that), it can take as long as one side wants it to take. You can expect the same.

By your response I can see that my reality check has upset your fantasy of a snapback. But the truth is the truth and a simple call to your GC will verify my statements.

If you are so sure of the results of LOA 93, why do you keep providing arguments that would mitigate a win?

Grievance chair? Yeah right, and a C/O too.

RR