Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[toganoflex]

another angry '05 hire

You are sooooo smart.

You got me pegged.

Nice work.

Now go write up an airplane.

 

[Justme]

What impact will the post-injunction data have on the court?

Is there likely to be a significant and sudden change in on-time performance and the number of write-ups starting on May 30th?

 

[nic4us]

It's pretty ass backwards, as the company has books which state how to safely operate the airplane and guidance to do so. Now they are coming out and saying, BUT BUT.....the pilots all the years have ignored it, and now that they are doing what we ask, we don't want them to operate within the safety guidelines we set forth. We want them to operate how they have in the past, against our wishes........hmmmmm

The long post on how the MEL works was very informative for any civilian posters or lurkers who had no idea what we are talking about.

But, I would like to point something out you may have intentionally missed.

The captain of a flight can apply an MEL without a mechanic ever coming to the airplane, with approval from maintenance control and the concurrence of dispatch. Further, if the airplane had already left the gate then the MEL does not even have to be applied until it reaches the destination, the aircraft can be operated under the conditions of the MEL with the same concurrence from MX and DX.

You can play dumb all you like, but you know the intent of the training and manuals. Following a usapa guidline to fly safe is probably more stupid than using safety as a negotiating tactic.

 

[exB717Flyer]

It's pretty ass backwards, as the company has books which state how to safely operate the airplane and guidance to do so. Now they are coming out and saying, BUT BUT.....the pilots all the years have ignored it, and now that they are doing what we ask, we don't want them to operate within the safety guidelines we set forth. We want them to operate how they have in the past, against our wishes........hmmmmm

Face it, USAPA played (mis--played) the safety card and just as everybody expected it's backfired. As far as future write-ups go simply let your conscience be your guide instead of USAPA and you'll have nothing to fear from the company.

 

[toganoflex]

I would really give you guys a break if you would at least acknowledge that some of the info contained in the injunction is pretty damning.

But instead you guys come up with with the most asinine excuses and arguments that I have no choice but to respond in my beloved fashion.

How about this. You guys stop being idiots and I'll stop calling you idiots.

That's pretty fair.

But its not binding.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I would really give you guys a break if you would at least acknowledge that some of the info contained in the injunction is pretty damning.

But instead you guys come up with with the most asinine excuses and arguments that I have no choice but to respond in my beloved fashion.

How about this. You guys stop being idiots and I'll stop calling you idiots.

That's pretty fair.

But its not binding.

The information in a request for relief in the form of a Temporary injunction had better be damning. True is yet another story altogether. Shortly USAPA will file a reply and there will be a hearing and a judge will rule.

I personally don't believe or trust US Airways Sr Management, I work backwards from the assumption that every word out of their mouths is a lie until I find out otherwise.

I also happen to think USAPA made a huge mistake with any kind of slowdown, write up campaign. Especially since there are numerous incidents of Noxious Cabin fumes that have caused some employees to miss weeks of work, These incidents have 3rd party supporting documentation in the form of medical records. IOW, USAPA had a legitimate issue that the company couldn't refute to take to the media but they didn't.

Why? You'd have to ask Cleary, Mowrey et al.

 

[Harry Callahan]

I also happen to think USAPA made a huge mistake with any kind of slowdown, write up campaign. Especially since there are numerous incidents of Noxious Cabin fumes that have caused some employees to miss weeks of work, These incidents have 3rd party supporting documentation in the form of medical records. IOW, USAPA had a legitimate issue that the company couldn't refute to take to the media but they didn't.

Why? You'd have to ask Cleary, Mowrey et al.

FYI WSOC said something about another incident at LAX FRI I think it was.

 

[A320 Driver]

The long post on how the MEL works was very informative for any civilian posters or lurkers who had no idea what we are talking about.

But, I would like to point something out you may have intentionally missed.

The captain of a flight can apply an MEL without a mechanic ever coming to the airplane

IF HE/SHE WANTS TO. Or they can bring it back to the gate.

Driver B)

 

[767jetz]

Interesting corner USAPA has backed it's pilots into once again.

Consider this... The east pilots now realize the harm's way they have been put in, and go back to their normal patterns prior to May. Suddenly the data shows a drop back to normal deviations. They have just proven the work action and the need for the injunction, only strengthening the company's case. Alternately, they continue their current path in fear of being stone cold "busted," and as a result are held in contempt of court.

Nice going USAPA!

By the way... when are those identity thieves going to be fired and put in jail?

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

The long post on how the MEL works was very informative for any civilian posters or lurkers who had no idea what we are talking about.

But, I would like to point something out you may have intentionally missed.

The captain of a flight can apply an MEL without a mechanic ever coming to the airplane, with approval from maintenance control and the concurrence of dispatch. Further, if the airplane had already left the gate then the MEL does not even have to be applied until it reaches the destination, the aircraft can be operated under the conditions of the MEL with the same concurrence from MX and DX.

You can play dumb all you like, but you know the intent of the training and manuals. Following a usapa guidline to fly safe is probably more stupid than using safety as a negotiating tactic.

I understand, but are the pilots doing anything ILLEGAL as the lawsuit asserts? Sure they company can show a trend in delays using statistics, but the burden of proof is on US Airways to show that the pilots have done something illegal. Until they've broken a company policy, which they haven't, then they are within their legal right to decide what gets fixed and when. This is the same kind of logic the company would use to defend their Bullsh*t policies if THEY were on trial for something.

Who care's if USAPA is "playing dumb," they're not on trial for that, they've been accused of breaking the rules, they shouldn't have to fork over 400 mil for adhering to policy more thoroughly. The companies assertion is completely subjective based on vague guidelines.

 

[toganoflex]

I understand, but are the pilots doing anything ILLEGAL as the lawsuit asserts? Sure they company can show a trend in delays using statistics, but the burden of proof is on US Airways to show that the pilots have done something illegal. Until they've broken a company policy, which they haven't, then they are within their legal right to decide what gets fixed and when. This is the same kind of logic the company would use to defend their Bullsh*t policies if THEY were on trial for something.

Who care's if USAPA is "playing dumb," they're not on trial for that, they've been accused of breaking the rules, they shouldn't have to fork over 400 mil for adhering to policy more thoroughly. The companies assertion is completely subjective based on vague guidelines.

There is more than enough proof and I'm fairly certain this injunction is going to happen.

And dude, give it a rest. I know you've got a beef with the company but move on. You're not in this game anymore.

Go crack open a medical book.

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

There is more than enough proof and I'm fairly certain this injunction is going to happen.

And dude, give it a rest. I know you've got a beef with the company but move on. You're not in this game anymore.

Go crack open a medical book.

Haha, I'm done for the day, so now I'm enjoying leisure time. I don't care if it's politics or an airline, I can still put in my 2c.

 

[767one]

The long post on how the MEL works was very informative for any civilian posters or lurkers who had no idea what we are talking about.

But, I would like to point something out you may have intentionally missed.

The captain of a flight can apply an MEL without a mechanic ever coming to the airplane, with approval from maintenance control and the concurrence of dispatch. Further, if the airplane had already left the gate then the MEL does not even have to be applied until it reaches the destination, the aircraft can be operated under the conditions of the MEL with the same concurrence from MX and DX.

You can play dumb all you like, but you know the intent of the training and manuals. Following a usapa guidline to fly safe is probably more stupid than using safety as a negotiating tactic.

If there is mtc available then it is up to mtc to apply the mel. If something breaks when off the gate you may continue if you and the dispatcher agree or you may go back to the gate and have mtc address the issue.As far as the training manuals....train like you fly and fly like you train. Every flight is good training for the next cqt.


Bob

 

[cleardirect]

I understand, but are the pilots doing anything ILLEGAL as the lawsuit asserts? Sure they company can show a trend in delays using statistics, but the burden of proof is on US Airways to show that the pilots have done something illegal. Until they've broken a company policy, which they haven't, then they are within their legal right to decide what gets fixed and when. This is the same kind of logic the company would use to defend their Bullsh*t policies if THEY were on trial for something.

Who care's if USAPA is "playing dumb," they're not on trial for that, they've been accused of breaking the rules, they shouldn't have to fork over 400 mil for adhering to policy more thoroughly. The companies assertion is completely subjective based on vague guidelines.

The rule they are violating is the RLA and status quo. The company with extensive statistics shows that the east pilots are outside of normal operations and therefore violating status quo especially during contract talks. Violating status quo is an illegal work action.

Funny the same the same thing that usapa has filed suit in NY for not keeping status quo. I think this injunction just about kills that law suit.

 

[Pi brat]

Consider this... The east pilots now realize the harm's way they have been put in, and go back to their normal patterns prior to May.

Or consider this.....as professional aviators we are trained to operate appropriately for the condition we are operating under. For the last few months the working environment at this airline have deteriorated considerably. So, if like me you have not participated in an illegal slowdown, you might decide that with the current environment you need to be very careful.

Unlike the Nirvana you enjoy with UA/CO, this place is in civil war. You see it right in front of you on this board. What you haven't seen is the former AWA MEC chairman asking Doug how to write up east crews. You haven't seen a west pilot look into a camera and say "WE HATE YOU GUYS!" You missed the foaming at the mouth "distance learning" crew news. We have to watch our back everyday with our west co-workers and the FAA, and now it looks like we do with the company too, lest innocent guys get caught up in the web.