Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[SparrowHawk]

It's beginning to look that way. Hey the East Pilots went "All In" in a high stakes game and now it looks like some not named USAPA was the winning hand.

 

[767jetz]

So, when it happened at UA did it make you straighten up, fly right and be happy in your job? Did it motivate you to excel? Cause I have to be honest jetz, from the jumpseat riders I've had, you guys seem like the most miserable pilot group in the industry.

Well, I never helped the company in any way since the massive pay cuts post 9/11 and post bankruptcy. I know my contract backward and forward, and do nothing more and nothing less. So for me personally it didn't change much. I think it did stop some of the guys pushing the envelope to scale back their tactics and fall in line with the official union activity... informational picketing and such.

Many UA guys are certainly miserable, but at the company and management, not each other. Not the Continental pilots or visa versa. And we know that eventually we will prevail against the company together. This idea that UA and CO pilots are not unified is complete fabricated fantasy. (Not you but others) And those who commute are probably more miserable than those of us who don't. Remember that unlike US, we have a much lower % of commuters since we have so many domiciles. So I wouldn't call them representative of the majority. Either way, yes UA pilots are sick of management's empty promises and media sound bites. Our attitude is basically... F - you... pay me! But no one is doing anything to deliberately slow the operation.

I suggest a different road for our management. That they call a time out. Say "Yeah, let's have on open forum for our LINE PILOTS to air their concerns. Nope, they decided to take a different road. Oh wel.

IMO your management has created all the leverage it needs to finish your merger once and for all. They will most likely win an injunction. If they win damages, they will not collect. But in exchange they will get all law suits resolved or dropped, the nic installed, an industry average contract, the COC language will be gone, and they will get their synergies.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

It's beginning to look that way. Hey the East Pilots went "All In" in a high stakes game and now it looks like some not named USAPA was the winning hand.

The company told USAPA plenty of times to knock it off, but they didn't listen, its documented. And, in this wonderful age of information, they have texts, emails and phone calls, all easily documented to time and date and location and IP address and email. Amazing how naive and stupid USAPA was/is, did they even THINK that the company wasn't taking notes and collecting data? Seriously...that level of dumb is just amazing. But, the whole union is dumb, so completely obvious in why it was formed and why it exists. The crime is that the west has to pay dues to these thugs. That is crazy. In a right to work state, when dealing with a non RLA union, you have the right not to join. In AZ, the pilots don't have to join, but they gotta pay, per the RLA. The RLA is a relic, formed to ensure that we would have rail service in case of a strike. Well, if it was 1947...maybe that would mean something. The union laws in this nation need to be brought into this century.

Oh, and all you pilots...its almost August 1, better put those yellow lanyards away. 😛

 

[700UW]

State Right to Work (for less) laws do not apply to workers under the RLA.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

State Right to Work (for less) laws do not apply to workers under the RLA.

I know. You still have to pay the union. Even if you have an independent mind and don't want to join.

Right to work is fair, it lets each worker make their own decisions, each individual gets to make their choice. If the union can't sell their benefits, then too bad. The right to choose, its the American way.

 

[traderjake]

HPearlyretiree

What is your avatar a picture of?

 

[blue collar]

I know. You still have to pay the union. Even if you have an independent mind and don't want to join.

Right to work is fair, it lets each worker make their own decisions, each individual gets to make their choice. If the union can't sell their benefits, then too bad. The right to choose, its the American way.

Actually, democracy is the American way. Majority rules, and since the majority of the workgroup chose to be union, they are union.

 

[ChockJockey]

Right to work is fair, it lets each worker make their own decisions, each individual gets to make their choice. If the union can't sell their benefits, then too bad. The right to choose, its the American way.

The right to choose what exactly? I've never understood this. The "choice" in AZ has always been the choice between working for the lowest wages or not working at all.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

HPearlyretiree

What is your avatar a picture of?

Test flight of 707, Tex Johnson did a barrel roll. Scared the living snot out of everyone. Boeing was NOT happy.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Actually, democracy is the American way. Majority rules, and since the majority of the workgroup chose to be union, they are union.

Actually, we are a republic. Each individual should be able to choose. If a union can only get members because of some outdated law from the rail road days, then that isn't very good is it? There is a reason most of the country is not union...they are dinosaurs. If you are against a person exercising the right to choose their destiny...that's your problem. You can always send out the goons.....not like a union would ever use intimidation.... 🙄

 

[UPNAWAY]

Id like to add the purpose of our democracy is to protect the rights of the minority not majority rules. Seems union folks lack of historical knowledge is similar to their lack of economic and political knowledge.

 

[blue collar]

Actually, we are a republic. Each individual should be able to choose. If a union can only get members because of some outdated law from the rail road days, then that isn't very good is it? There is a reason most of the country is not union...they are dinosaurs. If you are against a person exercising the right to choose their destiny...that's your problem. You can always send out the goons.....not like a union would ever use intimidation.... 🙄

Yeah, not like a company would ever use intimidation either. Oh wait, this thread is about an injunction. Oh, the irony. Are you against the idea of democracy?

 

[blue collar]

Id like to add the purpose of our democracy is to protect the rights of the minority not majority rules. Seems union folks lack of historical knowledge is similar to their lack of economic and political knowledge.

Maybe it's because I went to public school, but where I come from, democracy means one man, one vote.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Yeah, not like a company would ever use intimidation either. Oh wait, this thread is about an injunction. Oh, the irony. Are you against the idea of democracy?

Uh, you don't have to accept a job from a company, you have the choice. But, the fact that you MUST join a union who is out there to "protect" you, while its leaders are rolling in your dough, is obscene. If your union was good, people would join on their own accord, you wouldn't need to pass a law requiring them to join and pay you. Extortion...that is NOT the American way. You have the right to choose a company. But you don't have the right to choose whether to belong to a union...are you against the idea of a democracy (or actually, a republic?) 🙄

My nephew had a crap job at a grocery store, the union goon threatened him with violence and keyed his car. He stood up to him and told him that intimidation and destruction was no way to to sell his point and that he wasn't gonna take any crap from them. They backed down... Since then, he joined the Navy, he gets promoted on his merit now. In theory unions sound good, but intimidating people is beyond unethical. Let people choose, what are the unions afraid of?

 

[Res Judicata]

Or consider this.....as professional aviators we are trained to operate appropriately for the condition we are operating under. For the last few months the working environment at this airline have deteriorated considerably

Such unbelievable B.S.! Nothing has changed or deterioriated in "the last few months". Just because the CLT maniacs put out a 50k word manifesto doesn't mean the fabric of reality has actually changed. Your scab union has it's nuts in a vice. They put them there and out west, we're more than happy to tighten the screw.

Be safe!!!

Where is "End of Alpa" BTW? Busy changing his name....again?