Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[NoYellowNeck]

You're kidding about the last 25 year thing, right?!?

5 in 5?

One a day in Flushing Bay?

Operation Restore Confidence?

That's your argument?

Yeesh.

 

[Pi brat]

This is a funny statement right here. The company is dragging you down? This from a a pilot that worked at an airline that was twice BK and about to go out of business. An airline that most of the entire east coast hated and crashed several airplanes over the years. You guys had nowhere to go up up. You had dragged yourself down. it is the east pilots that are trying to drag this airline down not management.

I don't remember you guys being all grins and giggles in the poncho/happy meal crew news. I remember quite a few of you taking Parker and Kirby on for not forcing the Nic.

The entire east coast love the airline I was hired by. Can you say that about the one that hired YOU?

 

[Monkee]

You don't work on the east, and I can assure the way we are operating today is not the way it was done for the last 25 years.

What awards are you talking about? The one from the FAA when they almost shut you down?

Ah, so then its OK with you that Claxon posts a memo about AWA from 11 years ago?

If not, you need to tell him to knock it off. If it is OK with you, then you are a hypocrite.

 

[Pi brat]

You're kidding about the last 25 year thing, right?!?

5 in 5?

One a day in Flushing Bay?

Operation Restore Confidence?

That's your argument?

Yeesh.

Of all the stupid and classless things you guys pull out of your bag, this is the worst. Walking over dead bodies. The death of those people forced the industry to change things that have made us all safer.

I have never put a scratch on an airplane, but during the restore confidence that you belittle, I and my coworkers took a look at ourselves and collectively did what needed to be done to prevent anymore accidents. And so far we have. But the management team of this airline is undoing much of what we achieved. There has to be open communication without the fear of retribution, and that is gone here.

Any pilot group throwing stones at another group over accidents is made up of IDIOTS.

 

[Pi brat]

Ah, so then its OK with you that Claxon posts a memo about AWA from 11 years ago?

If not, you need to tell him to knock it off. If it is OK with you, then you are a hypocrite.

I think our collective past only matter when it comes to learning what mistakes were made, on both sides, so we don't make them again. Safety, union politics, whatever. So, claxon, if it doesn't do that , knock it of. There, all better?

 

[NoYellowNeck]

Truth hurts. Sweeping it under a rug doesn't help.

Rationalizing their deaths in the name of safety is sub-human.

You're pathetic.

 

[NoYellowNeck]

I think our collective past only matter when it comes to learning what mistakes were made, on both sides, so we don't make them again. Safety, union politics, whatever. So, claxon, if it doesn't do that , knock it of. There, all better?

I think our collective past only matters when it benefits the east.

Doesn't that ring truer Pi?

 

[Pi brat]

Rationalizing their deaths in the name of safety is sub-human.

You're pathetic.

You are not quite right in the head, are you? I never rationalized their deaths. It's a shame some had to die in order to get type II deicing fluid and hold over charts. Or so the FAA would buy a little piece of land in CLT. Or that a rudder would be redesigned.

 

[NoYellowNeck]

5 in 5.

Everyone's fault but your own.

Whatever.

 

[traderjake]

Like it or not, its your union too. Take them on about the issues you disagree on, but don't make everything about the Nic.

I'm here to steal your job, now put that aside so we can get along.

 

[NoYellowNeck]

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[prechilill]

Like it or not, its your union too. Take them on about the issues you disagree on, but don't make everything about the Nic. That is what you guys are doing, just like some on the east make everything about DOH. I would expect the C18 to understand what it's like to be falsely accused, except the few that actually made calls, and speak out about it. I took my union on over the C18.

And once upon a time ALPA was your union, but I guess you didn't really want to support them. Ok, got it. I see how you operate...

 

[BoeingBoy]

Jim,

I truly believe that the vast majority of east pilots did not participate in an illegal job operation and the reason I believe it because if the majority did, we wouldn't be operating as well as are!

I said that I didn't think all pilots are guilty, but I also think you overestimate the effect that has been produced. D:00 up to 1/3 lower? A dozen pilots doesn't accomplish that, especially with the agents closing the door 5-10 minutes early. On time arrivals (DOT standard within 15 minutes) down as much as 10 points? Given the flights that you have to work hard not to be early that's a big accomplishment - not a handful of malcontents.

As far as the items you listed above, most now go in a CML. No sign off needed. Not sure we had that when you were here.

When I left the CML was being used but was passed along to the captain for entry into the aircraft maintenance log book. Has it changed? How many posters have said "if it's broke either fix it or MEL it"? I didn't see any qualifiers on the minor stuff. Back to the captain going over the pond example someone posted - how do you explain someone putting things in the log all the way to Europe? Is it possible that some CML items, a slightly loose knob. etc were included? If not, maybe that captain shouldn't have accepted the airplane in the first place if there were so much wrong that it took 7 or more hours to write it all up.

Again, I'm not claiming that every pilot was involved. Or even most. However, the effects are too great to be a handful. As for USAPA's role, how long have they been saying "Be a good union pilot"? Not "Be a safe pilot". Anyone who's been in the profession for 5 years as a member of a union knows what that means.

Jim

 

[autofixer]

As Suze Orman say, "You've been denied!"

 

[NoYellowNeck]

Um no, we haven't

The motion was held in abeyance.

The hearing for the injunction was moved up to next week.

Quit being a moron a read a bit first.

Now off to Rio with you.