Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[SparrowHawk]

Just because you have that little picture and spend your life here means nothing. It goes in again.monday. Is that a spanking? Do I have to give you that picture again of Wake getting his pants dropped by the 9th clerks! That, was a spanking!!!

The fact that you would insult one of, if not the only sane voice here then that say a great deal about you as well.

The 9th Circuit means nothing in terms of the issue at hand. The judge here is going to test the evidence and someone will walk away empty handed or worse. Let me clue you in regarding Corporations and litigation in general. When a Corporation goes to court it's because they feel there is no other option left. Secondly when they do go they have their ducks in a row. Thirdly USAPA doesn't have the resources to mount the type of case US has. Often Justice is indirectly for sale. OJ was able to prevail not because of innocence but because he had the resources to defend himself. Same situation here, US has the $$$$ to bury ANY union in motions, expert witnesses and a host of other tactics and due to cost the union is at a disadvantage before testimony begins. OJ was free because he could match the County of LAX dollar for dollar.

So now USAPA counsel is likely reduced to trying to discredit any company & expert witnesses in hopes of creating enough doubt in the judges mind to not issue an injunction. Reading here and doing some limited research I've never been overly impressed with USAPA's choice of counsel. I've looked and have yet to find a client in aviation who prevailed with Lee Seham at the table.

 

[Black Swan]

BlackSwan, it wasn't pretty for USAPA. U just got off the phone with the west pilot that was there. If USAPA's counsel keeps getting shut out like they did today them yes, the last bit of their butt will gave been handed to then.

Why do you think Wake got spanked?

You got bad information.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Just got done flying all week in and out of 2 crew bases. Have not seen this bag tag you speak of. Interesting that the company presented something into evidence that no east pilot has seen (at least none of the guys I saw this week).

What does it look like?

It looks like the work of the world's dumbest criminals.

 

[Black Swan]

BlackSwan, it wasn't pretty for USAPA. U just got off the phone with the west pilot that was there. If USAPA's counsel keeps getting shut out like they did today them yes, the last bit of their butt will gave been handed to then.

Why do you think Wake got spanked?

Are you serious? I heard the same in the 9th deal with Addington from the west observers and then Wake was destroyed by those young clerks.

 

[Black Swan]

It looks like the work of the world's dumbest criminals.

Leonidas? Did they get bagged again?

 

[Res Judicata]

Just got done flying all week in and out of 2 crew bases. Have not seen this bag tag you speak of. Interesting that the company presented something into evidence that no east pilot has seen (at least none of the guys I saw this week).

What does it look like?

They showed up via USPS to the Philly Chief PIlots office yesterday. Despite obvious attempts to obfuscate who sent them, the idiots at uslappy didn't know that their postage meter was registered and easily traced.

total idiots.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Just got done flying all week in and out of 2 crew bases. Have not seen this bag tag you speak of. Interesting that the company presented something into evidence that no east pilot has seen (at least none of the guys I saw this week).

What does it look like?

And why would USAPA send a box of those bag tags to the company? Along with the fact that no one on the line has ever seen one of those tags, this piece of evidence does't pass the sniff test.

Which president appointed the judge? Anyone know? That might go a long way toward seeing how this may turn out. Not that the federal judiciary is politically motivated.





HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I tried not to laugh at that last statement, but couldn't contain it.

 

[luvthe9]

They showed up via USPS to the Philly Chief PIlots office yesterday. Despite obvious attempts to obfuscate who sent them, the idiots at uslappy didn't know that their postage meter was registered and easily traced.

total idiots.

You guys are the biggest liars out there. The multiple screen names are hilarious but also pathetic. Same as the made up stories. It makes no sense unless that scumbag Leonidas did it. You all make USAPA s rebuttal that you are behind some of this all the more believable. That story makes no sense to anybody, except you idiots.

 

[nycbusdriver]

They showed up via USPS to the Philly Chief PIlots office yesterday. Despite obvious attempts to obfuscate who sent them, the idiots at uslappy didn't know that their postage meter was registered and easily traced.

total idiots.

It would be interesting to see if the meter stamp was for the correct postage and date of the box that showed up YESTERDAY. (How very CONVENIENT for the company's case.)

Anybody can pull one of those stickers off and put it on another container. Wouldn't put it past any of our management pilots in PHL or elsewhere doing something less than honest. Like telling everybody a procedure is approved my the FAA POI, when in fact the FAA POI had no knowledge beforehand.

 

[luvthe9]

BlackSwan, it wasn't pretty for USAPA. U just got off the phone with the west pilot that was there. If USAPA's counsel keeps getting shut out like they did today them yes, the last bit of their butt will gave been handed to then.

Why do you think Wake got spanked?

Wake is a fool. What an embarrassment for AZ to have that dope.

 

[Claxon]

The fact that you would insult one of, if not the only sane voice here then that say a great deal about you as well.

The 9th Circuit means nothing in terms of the issue at hand. The judge here is going to test the evidence and someone will walk away empty handed or worse. Let me clue you in regarding Corporations and litigation in general. When a Corporation goes to court it's because they feel there is no other option left. Secondly when they do go they have their ducks in a row. Thirdly USAPA doesn't have the resources to mount the type of case US has. Often Justice is indirectly for sale. OJ was able to prevail not because of innocence but because he had the resources to defend himself. Same situation here, US has the $$$$ to bury ANY union in motions, expert witnesses and a host of other tactics and due to cost the union is at a disadvantage before testimony begins. OJ was free because he could match the County of LAX dollar for dollar.

So now USAPA counsel is likely reduced to trying to discredit any company & expert witnesses in hopes of creating enough doubt in the judges mind to not issue an injunction. Reading here and doing some limited research I've never been overly impressed with USAPA's choice of counsel. I've looked and have yet to find a client in aviation who prevailed with Lee Seham at the table.
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How many gins is that?

 

[luvthe9]

Court room drama. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/08/19/v-print/2540023/us-airways-pilots-union-spar-in.html

 

[SparrowHawk]

And why would USAPA send a box of those bag tags to the company? Along with the fact that no one on the line has ever seen one of those tags, this piece of evidence does't pass the sniff test.

Which president appointed the judge? Anyone know? That might go a long way toward seeing how this may turn out. Not that the federal judiciary is politically motivated.





HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I tried not to laugh at that last statement, but couldn't contain it.

It's not so much politics as it is judicial philosophy. Judges come in 2 basic flavors, Activists and Constructionists. where it gets politicized is that Democrats usually nominate Activists judges and Republicans nominate Constructionists.

If the judge in this case is a constructionist and Dr Lee's theory is not widely accepted as scientifically valid, US could be in a world of hurt as a Constructionist judge will not give it much, if any weight.

Conversely an Activist Judge may view this case in light of an overall imbalance between Labor & Management and decide to judicially correct that imbalance by not giving certain testimony the weight it deserves.

If Dr Lee and his theories are widely accepted and the judge is a strict Constructionist, USAPA will be crushed and I mean ground into fine particles.

 

[Move2CLT]

You got bad information.

I doubt that as all this will be transcribed. No reason to lie about it.

 

[SparrowHawk]

How many gins is that?

just poured the first one a few minutes ago. I'll keep you posted if you like? So oh wise and mighty Claxon, why did you pick Seeham? Also care to provide a link to a case he actually won?