Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[mrbreeze]

The Chipster also claimed months ago that the company and union had been shown a draft of the decision by Kasher. Naturally, it was a loss for the union, and the evil duo of Cleary and Parella were supposedly hiding this news from the pilots.

Come to think of it, I wonder if he typed that post from home or in the seat of an A321 on the way to Seattle, in violation of company policy and FAA regulations. 😀

Now Chip wouldn't do anything to violate rules and regs. My guess is that he was on his day off, in his X-19 in a low orbit......but you have to cut him some slack. Dodging all those meteors on his re-entry probably threw him a curve in his focus on trashing USAPA.

breeze

 

[cactusboy53]

"poor and illegal behavior." 🙄

Do you realize you have never met another pilot group that is more consistent than you at siding with management at assuming all a pilot's group actions are illegal?

I jump all the time with West crews and all but the youngest F/Os are very polite guys.

"If the Flight Deck Maintenance Log does not fit, you MUST AQUIT!!"

 

[mrbreeze]

Something that hasn't been mentioned here is the difference between flying out of PHX and flying on the East coast.

PHX is mostly good flying weather, as is all of the West coast, so there are more options as far as approaches (ILS vz visual). Lower weather minimums, etc. creates more issues for maintanence to keep up with along with all the other systems. Also, and I don't have actual numbers here, just generalities....we have 2/3s of the fleet flying in the East and to Europe.

Has it occured to you guys that maybe Maintanence is just having a hard time keeping up with the fleet with the amount of time the hulls are staying in the air? Maybe that's always been a problem for airlines operating in the East and the Tempe maintanence plan does well in PHX, but is struggling to keep up out here.

Not just in fixing problems, but getting things done right. Our 767 that we picked up for a Europe trip last night had an MEL on the forward galley water. The problem was that the faucet was leaking all the time and an MEL was applied. The whole front galley water was turned off......a big inconvience for the Atlantic 1st class service. After getting on the aircraft and checking out the problem.....trying to decide if we needed to order extra bottled water to compensate, we found that the MEL was written up wrong. The whole galley water system should have never been shut down....for the last 4 days while crossing the Atlantic. Apparently the mechanic who first MELd the system was in a hurry and got it wrong.

Another delay. Once again, those pesky pilots want the aircraft to operate properly....DUH!!

I think the East system is behind the power curve in maintaning the aircraft and the pilots are tired of limping the aircraft around, while the problem is snowballing....along with tired of being blamed and disrespected.

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

Something that hasn't been mentioned here is the difference between flying out of PHX and flying on the East coast.

PHX is mostly good flying weather, as is all of the West coast, so there are more options as far as approaches (ILS vz visual). Lower weather minimums, etc. creates more issues for maintanence to keep up with along with all the other systems. Also, and I don't have actual numbers here, just generalities....we have 2/3s of the fleet flying in the East and to Europe.

Has it occured to you guys that maybe Maintanence is just having a hard time keeping up with the fleet with the amount of time the hulls are staying in the air? Maybe that's always been a problem for airlines operating in the East and the Tempe maintanence plan does well in PHX, but is struggling to keep up out here.

Not just in fixing problems, but getting things done right. Our 767 that we picked up for a Europe trip last night had an MEL on the forward galley water. The problem was that the faucet was leaking all the time and an MEL was applied. The whole front galley water was turned off......a big inconvience for the Atlantic 1st class service. After getting on the aircraft and checking out the problem.....trying to decide if we needed to order extra bottled water to compensate, we found that the MEL was written up wrong. The whole galley water system should have never been shut down....for the last 4 days while crossing the Atlantic. Apparently the mechanic who first MELd the system was in a hurry and got it wrong.

Another delay. Once again, those pesky pilots want the aircraft to operate properly....DUH!!

I think the East system is behind the power curve in maintaning the aircraft and the pilots are tired of limping the aircraft around, while the problem is snowballing....along with tired of being blamed and disrespected.

breeze

Ya, that's it. First it was construction and now this excuse. And it all started May 1st.

 

[Move2CLT]

"If the Flight Deck Maintenance Log does not fit, you MUST AQUIT!!"

LMAO!!!!

 

[Move2CLT]

Well I have been on here for a while now and just got my first warning for name calling. Apparently Mov2CLT can dish it out but can't take it. Calling him a whore and a scab was just too much for his manly ego, or lack there of, so he reported me. Much worse names have been called than that.

IMO, he is a FEMALE KITTY CAT with big mouth! (is that better?)

breeze

PS...I truely hope Mov2CLT really is Jerry Glass.....I would give my worn out left nut to know that I offended him!

Nice try, but it wasn't me. Maybe it was a fellow eastie that reported you. You guys have a tendency to rat each other out.

 

[mrbreeze]

Nice try, but it wasn't me. Maybe it was a fellow eastie that reported you. You guys have a tendency to rat each other out.

HA!

You're a terrible liar...we all see that!

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

HA!

You're a terrible liar...we all see that!

breeze

HA?

How do you all see that?

Paranoid much?

 

[mrbreeze]

HA?

How do you all see that?

Paranoid much?

I have practiced paranoia in my life....my ex, for 16 yrs, was bi-polar. I had to be ready for a BS argument at any time of day, over any minor detail in this whole world.

OOOHHHHH! I just got it.....you're not Jerry Glass, you're my ex-wife. Any argument at anytime, just to start a fight. No wonder you come across as a female kitty cat!

How'z that, you DH?

I still don't think you know a thing about flying and have no idea of what Captain's authority is about.

breeze

 

[AWE_SHUCKS]

All of us have “carried” items back to base for whatever reason. Your examples, nav light out, tray table falling down whatever. Is it a violation sure. Is it a judgment call, maybe. We all know what is and what is not a safety of flight issue. To be honest if we were to follow every FAA reg and company rule to the letter no aircraft would ever leave the ground. So we all find that place where we are comfortable and launch.

Have you east guys been violating the letter of the law? Probably. But by changing your past practice it violates a different law. RLA status quo. If you have been carrying minor MX issues than you have to continue to carry minor MX issues. But the company has not accused the east pilots of only making extra write ups. It is fatigue calls, taxi times and others. If only one variable changed the company would not have much of a case. But multiple variables cannot be explained by we are doing to right now. Add to that some of the more obvious updates from the union encouraging that action. Hard to deny.

The union has also filed a status quo law suit because they say the company has changed the way they do business. Would you accept the answer that the company has been doing it wrong for the last few years but we are doing it right now. Sure the grievance process gets slowed down but we are following all the rules now.

An honest answer from you now. If we got a contract tomorrow would all of these MX write-ups continue or would it go back to the normal baseline way of doing things prior to May 2011?

Thank you for your honest answer. It is exactly right that "if we were to follow every FAA reg and company rule to the letter no aircraft would ever leave the ground" please have a look at some of the responses of fellow pilots who cant admit or deny that they would ever carry a broken tray table back to base. I used to be compensated for sticking my neck out but now i am not and i see no point in continuing to act compicitaly with the company any more and violate rules and i doubt the courts will say i have to. As far as other actions you mention, slow taxi and fatigue etc.. i think we will have a harder time defending ourselves in that regard given the courts previous history, but i really was just addressing the "write up campaign" because i am amazed that some of the self righteous claim to only fly perfect airplanes or perfectly documented airplanes each and every leg from day 1 to now. I call BS on that and thats all im saying. We used to do a lot of "skid greasing" around here but now "shut up and fly" means i dont call for a missing fuel truck, i dont call for missing T/O data etc.. sit and wait and let these idiots figure it out that they need us out there moving things along and they will have to pay us for it. No more free help. Status quo violation? how in any practical way can you force pilots to do "all the little things" that are not our jobs, but are essential for a succesful operation. We don't even have to try to delay flights. Just do your job perfectly and let others do theirs and you will get at least 50% late arrivals.

In answer to your question, If we got a contract tomorrow i would go back to illegally flying safe airplanes, using my judgement to be practical and not delay a flight for a broken tray table, visor , etc... I think the singular issue on write-ups is unique in that while it may represents a change in the status quo, it is in compliance with the regulations and to stop it the court would be implying that we must violate the rules which they can't do.

I know I know, stop shouting at the computer, for all those who say the courts don't need to delve into the specifics, just stop the delays.. well I don't know the law so we will see.
Just to all the self righteous who only fly perfection, I think you are lying.

Thank you again for your honest answer.

 

[Move2CLT]

I have practiced paranoia in my life....my ex, for 16 yrs, was bi-polar. I had to be ready for a BS argument at any time of day, over any minor detail in this whole world.

OOOHHHHH! I just got it.....you're not Jerry Glass, you're my ex-wife. Any argument at anytime, just to start a fight. No wonder you come across as a female kitty cat!

How'z that, you DH?

I still don't think you know a thing about flying and have no idea of what Captain's authority is about.

breeze

Said the guy on LOA 93. Hard to take you seriously when you make less then Republic pilots do.

And now I'm Jerry Glass AND your wife?

 

[Move2CLT]

Thank you for your honest answer. It is exactly right that "if we were to follow every FAA reg and company rule to the letter no aircraft would ever leave the ground" please have a look at some of the responses of fellow pilots who cant admit or deny that they would ever carry a broken tray table back to base. I used to be compensated for sticking my neck out but now i am not and i see no point in continuing to act compicitaly with the company any more and violate rules and i doubt the courts will say i have to. As far as other actions you mention, slow taxi and fatigue etc.. i think we will have a harder time defending ourselves in that regard given the courts previous history, but i really was just addressing the "write up campaign" because i am amazed that some of the self righteous claim to only fly perfect airplanes or perfectly documented airplanes each and every leg from day 1 to now. I call BS on that and thats all im saying. We used to do a lot of "skid greasing" around here but now "shut up and fly" means i dont call for a missing fuel truck, i dont call for missing T/O data etc.. sit and wait and let these idiots figure it out that they need us out there moving things along and they will have to pay us for it. No more free help. Status quo violation? how in any practical way can you force pilots to do "all the little things" that are not our jobs, but are essential for a succesful operation. We don't even have to try to delay flights. Just do your job perfectly and let others do theirs and you will get at least 50% late arrivals.

In answer to your question, If we got a contract tomorrow i would go back to illegally flying safe airplanes, using my judgement to be practical and not delay a flight for a broken tray table, visor , etc... I think the singular issue on write-ups is unique in that while it may represents a change in the status quo, it is in compliance with the regulations and to stop it the court would be implying that we must violate the rules which they can't do.

I know I know, stop shouting at the computer, for all those who say the courts don't need to delve into the specifics, just stop the delays.. well I don't know the law so we will see.
Just to all the self righteous who only fly perfection, I think you are lying.

Thank you again for your honest answer.

If the courts can nail a union for calling in sick or not picking up time the they can nail you for write-ups. The graphs show a change to status quo and that's all thats needed. Once this is done and LOA 93 come out, you'll have to sit quietly and take it.

 

[Move2CLT]

You have to admit you do a better job at being one than any west pilot could. At least we keep our replies straight.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

All of us have “carried” items back to base for whatever reason. Your examples, nav light out, tray table falling down whatever. Is it a violation sure. Is it a judgment call, maybe. We all know what is and what is not a safety of flight issue. To be honest if we were to follow every FAA reg and company rule to the letter no aircraft would ever leave the ground. So we all find that place where we are comfortable and launch.

Speak for yourself.

I am insulted you think you can project your unprofessional behavior on others.

Nav light out: a well maintained aircraft generally has a second nav light system operating because, among other issues, some countries demand that you have an operating nav light system whenever you operate your aircraft and will delay if not ground you if you do not.

Broken tray table: repair or seat is unoccupied. "carrying" it back to base with the seat or even in some cases, row, occupied is unacceptable. In every case.

You and some here, seem to really have no idea what constitutes a safety of flight issue or not, much less what to do about it.

and, as many a novice, you confuse regulation with safety. Mostly, but not always, they overlap. I follow every known reg and company rule to the letter, especially the ones concerning having broken aircraft fixed or waiting for the company to try with another aircraft and I seem to have a pretty darn good record.

I think you forget that our only job is to move passengers in a safe and comfortable manner. Moving company pieces of junk is not our job. I refuse to carry the water for decisions made on the basis of enhancing executives own nest egg.

Aussie slang for Cactus. Piece of junk, useless and broken down. The jokes write themselves.

 

[Move2CLT]

Wake me when sealbeater's rant is over.