Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[luvthe9]

Judge Silver has already determined that the DJ is ripe. Deal with it.

But determined "INCORRECTLY", so his detemination means squat. So deal with it.

 

[Black Swan]

Do the Math, you make the most, and cost the company the most so you take the brunt of the concessions, and in BK II we in M&R had 46% of the workforce laidoff, that isnt chump change.

Also we gave over a billion dollars in the first BK and much more in the second.

Its just like taxes the more you make the more you should pay.

You wont get sympathy from any other work group, we all gave what the company asked and then some.

And what did it get you? Nothing. I voted NO on every one. I learned early on that concessions to USAir was like giving crack to a junkie. My ALPA brothers loved urging on the giving. Every concession to the company made them that much dumber. Give them RJ s and they will destroy the mainline. If SWA doesn't give it or have it, don't do it. Give them Metrojet, they will blow it. Give them anything, they can't use it. It is like giving a Delta Unisaw to a 5 yr old. Nothing good is going to come of it.

 

[Black Swan]

I see the man love for Wilder is still alive. Smart guy. Would you like to tell us when the Addington was filed and when your hero wrote his blog? Then tell us how your advice wold have worked?

People can always be right AFTER the fact.

Judge Silver has already determined that the DJ is ripe. Deal with it. Do you think that judge Wake is the only judge that has even had a case overturned on ripeness?

I know you can't stomach reading the truth, but Wilder wrote the blog immediately after the Wake Debacle. He called the entire game. You read it, you read the date. It was before you hired the Dr. who should have kept cutting rather than lawyering. Wilder predicted everything, including the Wake ineptness and stupid calls. He and everyone else were STUNNED when that idiot Wake tried to impose Nicolau. Wake had no clue on the ripeness and the Dr. and Leonidas poured all your cash into a sewer. You should have read the blog. Too late...........Wilder knew this was going to the 9th right away, as did USAPA. You were too busy high fiving and trusting in Wake to know your train had already left the tracks.

 

[700UW]

But determined "INCORRECTLY", so his detemination means squat. So deal with it.

Isnt "he" a she? lol

 

[nic4us]

But determined "INCORRECTLY", so his detemination means squat. So deal with it.

Judge Silver is a woman, and became the cheif judge in the district when her co-worker judge John Roll, was killed in a shooting in Tucson, that also injured congresswoman Giffords.

We are going to hear the DJ, because it is ripe. Really no surprise there. Just as Wake and Bybee predicted, the company has been put into an untenable position by the DFR seeking union.

Oh, and federal judges determinations mean a lot more than "squat".

 

[nic4us]

I know you can't stomach reading the truth, but Wilder wrote the blog immediately after the Wake Debacle. He called the entire game. You read it, you read the date. It was before you hired the Dr. who should have kept cutting rather than lawyering. Wilder predicted everything, including the Wake ineptness and stupid calls. He and everyone else were STUNNED when that idiot Wake tried to impose Nicolau. Wake had no clue on the ripeness and the Dr. and Leonidas poured all your cash into a sewer. You should have read the blog. Too late...........Wilder knew this was going to the 9th right away, as did USAPA. You were too busy high fiving and trusting in Wake to know your train had already left the tracks.

Swan,

I feel so left out of the conversation, since you are purposely avoiding my replies.

Wilder's blog had at least 2 false premises that he used to draw his conclusions.

Dr. Jacobs, is the man!!!! Along with Harper he stopped the scabs in their tracks. How cool is that?? Only $2 million and you folks are no closer to Seeham's DOH for a cost neutral contract scheme that had you all wetting your pants at the thought of stealing the West's seniority.

The West however, has a 100% guarantee that the little lawyer will not steall our seniority on a statute of limitations claim. Has the company over a barrell, and has neutered usapa to the point that once you lose the LOA93 grievence it will all be academic.

Best question you could ask Wilder would be, "if usapa is free to negotiate all sections of the contract" why is it that the West is controlling the court cases, and the union is always on the defense with the company?

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Best question you could ask Wilder would be, "if usapa is free to negotiate all sections of the contract" why is it that the West is controlling the court cases, and the union is always on the defense with the company?

Because the "west" is not controlling anything? Much less court cases?

Oh, and you correlate the west involvement with the company? Thanks for that little titbit. I will pass it on. Great. and, thanks.

 

[Reed Richards]

Again Swan, two absolutely false statements by Wilder, and you are hanging everything on those false statements.

2. "ALPA Merger Policy is only an internal union procedure. IT IS NOT PART OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WITH USAIRWAYS". Again, completely false statement. My CBA says ALPA merger policy, your CBA says ALPA merger policy, the TA says ALPA merger policy. usapa is bound by our respective CBAs they inherited, and are therefore bound to the completed seniority list, that was arrived at using those CBAs prior to their election.

So I guess I better hope I don't "get in trouble" with the Company. A few snippets from our current East contract:

*Should the Company wish to meet with a pilot in the course of any investigation, he will be advised that he has the right to have ALPA representation present

*The Company shall notify a pilot’s LEC Chairman and ALPA Contract Administration in writing whenever a letter of discipline is issued.

Just like Parker has told you many times, just insert "USAPA" when you see "ALPA." Also, what is an “LEC?”

My CBA still has ALPA all over it. I have the mental capacity to make the changes in my head. You should try.

RR

 

[nic4us]

Because the "west" is not controlling anything? Much less court cases?

Oh, and you correlate the west involvement with the company? Thanks for that little titbit. I will pass it on. Great. and, thanks.

Pass whatever "tidbits" you like.

Here is another tidbit for you.

In the NYC court case, you are right, no West involvement there, the DFR usapians have seen to it that there is no West member on the NAC. So, no West participation when usapa gets shot down in NYC. In the NC case, same story, no West control, unless you count the fact that the West did not participate in usapa's illegal slowdown, and is the most damaging evidence against usapa. Now how did that happen? Finally, in the DJ, there is West involvement, because the company blew usapa's motion to dismiss the West class out of the water.

So, it all boils down to, the West and AOL are controlling all the court cases. AOL is the reason any of these cases exist in the first place. The West, through AOL, has held the scab unions feet to the fire, and now you are running all over almost every district court in the land with your temper tantrum.

If it wasn't so sad to watch you crybabies, it would actually be humorous.

But hey, I could be wrong, just ask Swan, he says Wilder thinks you can just put DOH in the scab union bag.

 

[Res Judicata]

Best question you could ask Wilder would be, "if usapa is free to negotiate all sections of the contract" why is it that the West is controlling the court cases, and the union is always on the defense with the company?

IOW, the East should be asking themselves the question, "Why is USAPA such a chronic failure?"

The West has known that answer since day one 4 years ago.

 

[nic4us]

So I guess I better hope I don't "get in trouble" with the Company. A few snippets from our current East contract:

*Should the Company wish to meet with a pilot in the course of any investigation, he will be advised that he has the right to have ALPA representation present

*The Company shall notify a pilot’s LEC Chairman and ALPA Contract Administration in writing whenever a letter of discipline is issued.

Just like Parker has told you many times, just insert "USAPA" when you see "ALPA." Also, what is an “LEC?”

My CBA still has ALPA all over it. I have the mental capacity to make the changes in my head. You should try.

RR

I get your point that my contract now would read "usapa merger policy". Problem is, policy already complied with and finished. usapa does not want to do a seniority list integration, they want to re-do a seniority list integration, big difference. Had the east voted in usapa prior to the Nic, you would have an arguement. Since the Nic is the reason for usapa, you have nothing but a DFR if usapa changes the list.

As far as hoping you do not get in trouble with the company, you got that right. usapa is in no position to do much to help you out.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

But hey, I could be wrong, just ask Swan, he says Wilder thinks you can just put DOH in the scab union bag.

You are wrong.

The east has no scabs. The west does. Next!

 

[700UW]

Crossing the IAM picket line and during the 30 day cooling off period and strike pilots assisted in cleaning planes, thereby performing struck work and violating another labor group's CBA.

And what about the USAPA rep who went to work for Freedom? That would fit the definition too.

 

[mrbreeze]

Swan,

I feel so left out of the conversation, since you are purposely avoiding my replies.

Wilder's blog had at least 2 false premises that he used to draw his conclusions.

Dr. Jacobs, is the man!!!! Along with Harper he stopped the scabs in their tracks. How cool is that?? Only $2 million and you folks are no closer to Seeham's DOH for a cost neutral contract scheme that had you all wetting your pants at the thought of stealing the West's seniority.

The West however, has a 100% guarantee that the little lawyer will not steall our seniority on a statute of limitations claim. Has the company over a barrell, and has neutered usapa to the point that once you lose the LOA93 grievence it will all be academic.

Best question you could ask Wilder would be, "if usapa is free to negotiate all sections of the contract" why is it that the West is controlling the court cases, and the union is always on the defense with the company?

Hey nic,

Do yourself a favor and drop the word "scab" from your posts. Honestly, when I hit that word, I stop reading whatever you write, and you make some good points. We all have a pretty good handle on how you feel.

thx,
breeze

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Crossing the IAM picket line and during the 30 day cooling off period and strike pilots assisted in cleaning planes, thereby performing struck work and violating another labor group's CBA.

And what about the USAPA rep who went to work for Freedom? That would fit the definition too.

Please name those ALPA freaks who did "cross the line" and BTW please name the circumstances, like, your union acquiesced, disgustingly.

Oh, you mean we should hold up some ALPA freak "among other ALPA freaks" that left the company? We forced him into bankruptcy. What else do you want?

We have a "fixer" on the east who has connections out west. What would you like to have done?