What of the young, gay children that contemplate suicide out of fear of telling their heterosexual parents who they really are? What of the gay teenagers who are eventually disowned by their parents because of who they really are?Homosexuality is a deviant behavior....
What of the young children of these couples who grow up wondering?
Oh...that's right..they can't conceive.....how ignorant of me.....
There is absolutely no proof that children raised by a homosexual couple are likely to become homosexual themselves. It's much better to be raised in a loving homosexual home than in a heterosexual home where the kids are abused or neglected. It's better to be raised in a loving homosexual home than being bounced between foster homes.
And yes, homosexual people CAN reproduce, just not with each other. They can have families through adoption, surrogacy, or artificial insemination. If the "inability to conceive" is an argument for banning gay marriages, then it's also an argument to ban marriage for infertile people or those that will never have children.
If marriage is to be reserved only for unions recognized by churches, then the government shouldn't use the term at all. It should only be used by churches, and the term civil unions used by the government for ALL unions.
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UAL_TECH
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Dude, You have to come live here in the SF Bay Area. GLBT (LGBT) influence is driving their ‘agenda’ to become not only ‘normal’ but to be the predominant sexual orientation choice. The ‘anything goes’ lifestyle ‘is’ a pox on our society. As much as the ‘free love’ hippies and crack heads are. Society needs a base and the GLBT (LGBT) offers none. If you like that life choice, that is your choice until you demand that my family, my children, and I have to agree with it.
Most of the ‘alternate lifestyle’ pundits argue that I should keep out of their bedroom. That is all well and good if these same pundits would stop dragging me into their bedroom and demand I accept their deviant behavior because they ‘feel bad’ for not being accepted as ‘normal’.
Well, guess what, they are not ‘normal’ and for me to validate their deviant behavior to make them ‘feel good’ is not going to happen and is not acceptable.
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Cosworth
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I do not give a rats butt if you like it, hate it or anything in between. You have no right to prevent it and eventually, just as Women and blacks achieved equality under the law, so to shall homosexuals. The law/constitution do not give a rats butt what you agree with or not.
You've got to be kidding. Why do all straight people think that gay people want to "convert" them? Gay people know that homosexuality is not a choice, so it follows that you can't convert a straight person.
Homosexuals couldn't care less if you "accept" them or not. It comes down to one thing: EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW, as guarnateed in the United States Constitution. THAT is the ruling legal document in this country, NOT the bible. By denying EQUAL rights becuase of your religious views, the religious right are the ones demanding that everyone else agree with them.
And denying equal rights to people so you don't "feel uncomfortable" is totally unacceptable.
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UAL_TECH
Guest
Now I am just getting my 'feelings' hurt. 😛
I have a voice and I have a vote, at least until you “pundits of democracy†take away my voice and my rights because you do not like my message.
Sieg-Hagel!
Liebes kurzsichtiges!
You can use your voice and express your opinions all you want. But NOBODY should be able to take an ACTION that denies or takes away rights of others, which is why things like murder, rape, and racial discrimination are illegal. You are free to vote as you wish, but the government should not allow a law (or allow a vote on something) that does not provide equal protection under the law.
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Cosworth
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Piney,
Gay rights has nothign to do with sex. Gay rights is about gays having the same rights as heteros. I know that the right likes to portray gays as wanting special rights because other wise they would be seen as the bigots they are. It has nothing to do with sex. Gay rights has to do with having the right to get married. Too be covered under the SAME laws as other married couples not a law that is "similar". Separate but equal has already been struck down a few years back IIRC.
UAL,
Again, I don't care if your feelings are hurt. That is your personal problem. The USC is designed to protect the minority form the tyranny of the majority. According to your logic, if the majority of the people decide they do not like the libertarian party, should they be able to ban that party from participating in politics? A lot of people do not like group 'x', should they be banned? The same hollow arguments you use against gays were used against women and blacks. Those arguments were shown to false and so will yours. You really are full of your self aren't you. You think they are if you accept them or not? News flash .. they don't care anymore than I do. All they care about is what the law says and how the law looks at them. Al they want is the same rights as you.
I do hope for your sake you never find your self in the legal minority because:
I speak out for the rights of all because my family was a victim of people not speaking out for what was right. I'll be damned if I will allow my self to be accused of the same thing.
Gay rights has nothign to do with sex. Gay rights is about gays having the same rights as heteros. I know that the right likes to portray gays as wanting special rights because other wise they would be seen as the bigots they are. It has nothing to do with sex. Gay rights has to do with having the right to get married. Too be covered under the SAME laws as other married couples not a law that is "similar". Separate but equal has already been struck down a few years back IIRC.
UAL,
Again, I don't care if your feelings are hurt. That is your personal problem. The USC is designed to protect the minority form the tyranny of the majority. According to your logic, if the majority of the people decide they do not like the libertarian party, should they be able to ban that party from participating in politics? A lot of people do not like group 'x', should they be banned? The same hollow arguments you use against gays were used against women and blacks. Those arguments were shown to false and so will yours. You really are full of your self aren't you. You think they are if you accept them or not? News flash .. they don't care anymore than I do. All they care about is what the law says and how the law looks at them. Al they want is the same rights as you.
I do hope for your sake you never find your self in the legal minority because:
I speak out for the rights of all because my family was a victim of people not speaking out for what was right. I'll be damned if I will allow my self to be accused of the same thing.
You're right, there are no explicit rights to any thing of a sexual nature. Gay marriage has nothing to do with sex. It has to do with having the availability of something that is available to others. It's not about gay rights, it's about EQUAL rights.
Maybe in Utah....
Oh my God...the police are at the door...... :bleh:
I think politically Bob...we may have this licked.
MapleLeaf
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As was stated by rjh, it is not a question of special rights for GLBT persons, it is a question of equal rights.
Why is it okay to be fired, or denied housing solely because you are gay? Would it be okay if you inserted female or jewish or disabled in there instead of gay? Being gay is not a choice, just as being a female or being black is not a choice.
Finally you realise that if it is okay to discriminate on gay's, then I can equally discriminate against straights?
I have asked this before in other places and no-one has ever come up with a valid answer - how is providing equal marriage a harm to heterosexuals? Also is the non-religious basis for denying equal marriage?
Why is it okay to be fired, or denied housing solely because you are gay? Would it be okay if you inserted female or jewish or disabled in there instead of gay? Being gay is not a choice, just as being a female or being black is not a choice.
Finally you realise that if it is okay to discriminate on gay's, then I can equally discriminate against straights?
I have asked this before in other places and no-one has ever come up with a valid answer - how is providing equal marriage a harm to heterosexuals? Also is the non-religious basis for denying equal marriage?
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Cosworth
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It's simply a matter of self righteousnesses, insecurity and control. Religion relies on conformity and unquestioning faith in their dogma. They look at their scriptures and believe that this is the word of god and therefore must be true and must be followed. They are of the belief that it is their responsibility to to enlighten the rest of us to their belief (never mind that there are other belief systems out there but each religion believes the other is wrong) and they will do what ever it takes to achieve that goal. Religious arguments seem to be hypocritical at best. They argue that allowing gays to get married will degrade the sanctity of marriage yet say nothing of the fact that 50% of marriages end in divorce. They say that gays will have an adverse effect on children yet say nothing of the effect of the afore mentioned divorces or the fact that moat pedophiles are hetero not gay. Religion argue for for fare treatment of ones fellow man but religious arguments have been used through out time to keep various segments of society subjugated. Native Americans were savages who believed in Mother Earth, Blacks were designed inferior to the white man, Woman were irrational needed to be separated from man during their period, stoned for adultery ... and the list goes on. The bible says that being gay is wrong so it must be wrong and it matters not if you believe or not. It matters not if you do not subscribe to their faith. Their fath says that your belief structure is wrong and therefore you should be forbidden by Fed/State/County/City law to do what ever it is you want to do because their belief says it is wrong. Never mind that it is none of their business, it does not affect them and you do not believe in their dogma. They seem to be under the delusion that your failure to follow their dogmas will lead to their down fall. I believe that their downfall will be the result of people being enlightened and moving beyond the belief in fairy tales and dogma.
Some people will come back and say that it IS ok to be fired or denied housing because someone is gay. They'll argue that being gay is a choice, so an employer shouldn't have to have a gay person working for them if they don't want.
Well, I'll then argue that it's ok to fire someone based on their religion. If I were a christian and didn't want to hire a jewish person (or vice versa), I should be able to. While it can be debated whether or not being gay is a choice (only becuase there's no proof either way yet), it can NOT be argued that your religion is NOT a choice. You clearly choose to believe what you believe. So, for that reason, I should be able to fire anyoe I want who does not choose to believe what I believe.
And before anyone jumps in, the first amendment does NOT apply here. The first amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . .". The first amendment says nothing about private companies.
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