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The latest threat for Class 2 Stations

Former ModerAAtor said:
That's only eight hours -- most management people are there for at least ten hours, so you obviously left out their lunch period...
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<_< ------- So what are you saying? They sleep through that also? 😛


AMFAMAN said:
How true, but you can't setup contract work to fail if you have enough workers. This is the old and used many times by AA: "we tried but you guys failed" approach.
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<_< AMFA------ I've been singing this song now for the last year, at least!!! 😉
 
I was just in SNA today and we had contract maint. When did that start? Must have missed reading about it on this board I guess.
 
nofaultfound said:
Doesn't look very promising..was there not any oal contract that the stations could have picked up? LHR and LGW are class 2 also, but natural reduction in headcount is not being replaced, add the fact that several new oal contracts have being signed means that the shifts are at or below minimums most of the time. This is generating a lot of sick and overtime which is way more expensive than having to hire people to fix things....Surely there wont be a move to change the sytem to all class 1? who'll end up doing the work at line stations, contractors?
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Yes.

Despite the fact the England is about the most anti-worker country in Europe (Constitutional MONARCHY set up by the merchantile class portraying itself as a Democracy)its close proximity to Europe has benifitted its workers in that you guys enjoy a lot of protections that we dont have. Your government provided protections (from the Socialists) protects you guys from layoffs, paycuts and benifit cuts. You guys did not see the reductions we did and you earn the equivelent of about $20K-US more than we do. So you guys should be more than willing to do more, as for me, keep the extra work, I surely and not going to put out more work for less pay.

Hopeful said:
Sure. On-call maintenance. But during the course of the day as planes arrive and depart, flight crews would be aware there are no AA mechanics there and could wait to write up "non" airworthy items until the planes sees a Class 1 station. Of course, should there be a no-go discrepancy, a contract maintenance firm could be called...

As for overnight aircraft that may have some problems..they could send AA mechanics on a field trip to make repairs.
It is not too costly for AA because they eliminated double time pay last concession package!
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Sure they eliminated doubletime but the only way they can get people to go is by promising that they get the legal absence with pay for the next day, to me its still not worth it.

http://www.local564.org/564%20Updates%20Fo...II%20Update.pdf
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I see Mr Wood is trying to sell the old "performance" lie again.Its amazing how they still use this empty threat.

How many workers out there have seen this lie revealed over and over again though the years? How often have you heard that "You guys delivered the best performing B check in the system" only to be told a week later that "We are losing the B check due to routing"?

I agree with Time's sentiment about the line about what we agreed to do when we signed on, when we got doubletime, holiday pay, shift pay etc.

The way I read Mr Woods letter, after having been exposed to 20 years of similar rhetoric, is this:

"Should this layoff work out, in that all the required work continues to get accomplished, come September expect another round of headcount reductions as we try and see how lean we can run this place, after all, no good deed goes unpunished. So we will threaten you that if you dont work harder you will lose your jobs but in reality if everyone does work harder then they wont need as many mechanics anymore and you will lose your job for sure."

Management must be laughing their asses off at us. They threatened to eliminate thousands of jobs unless they got all the concessions they demanded, well they got the concessions then they eliminated thousands of jobs anyway. They threaten that we will see more layoffs unless we work harder and increase our productivity, then when that happens they use the increased productivity as a means to eliminate even more jobs and our so called "Union" is right there in bed with them!!!!!
 
Bob Owens said:
Yes.

Despite the fact the England is about the most anti-worker country in Europe (Constitutional MONARCHY set up by the merchantile class portraying itself as a Democracy)its close proximity to Europe has benifitted its workers in that you guys enjoy a lot of protections that we dont have. Your government provided protections (from the Socialists) protects you guys from layoffs, paycuts and benifit cuts. You guys did not see the reductions we did and you earn the equivelent of about $20K-US more than we do. So you guys should be more than willing to do more, as for me, keep the extra work, I surely and not going to put out more work for less pay.
Sure they eliminated doubletime but the only way they can get people to go is by promising that they get the legal absence with pay for the next day, to me its still not worth it.
I see Mr Wood is trying to sell the old "performance" lie again.Its amazing how they still use this empty threat.

How many workers out there have seen this lie revealed over and over again though the years? How often have you heard that "You guys delivered the best performing B check in the system" only to be told a week later that "We are losing the B check due to routing"?

I agree with Time's sentiment about the line about what we agreed to do when we signed on, when we got doubletime, holiday pay, shift pay etc.

The way I read Mr Woods letter, after having been exposed to 20 years of similar rhetoric, is this:

"Should this layoff work out, in that all the required work continues to get accomplished, come September expect another round of headcount reductions as we try and see how lean we can run this place, after all, no good deed goes unpunished. So we will threaten you that if you dont work harder you will lose your jobs but in reality if everyone does work harder then they wont need as many mechanics anymore and you will lose your job for sure."

Management must be laughing their asses off at us. They threatened to eliminate thousands of jobs unless they got all the concessions they demanded, well they got the concessions then they eliminated thousands of jobs anyway. They threaten that we will see more layoffs unless we work harder and increase our productivity, then when that happens they use the increased productivity as a means to eliminate even more jobs and our so called "Union" is right there in bed with them!!!!!
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Date: Sunday June 18, 2006
Time: 01:29:38 PM


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TO UNION GUY--fighting AMFA is like a divorce, the lawyers are going to pick both sides clean, when the money is all gone, so are the attorneys. How many poor people go to court? Nope, no fault, no money no fight! Look at the the war we have now, Somebody is getting rich, not he poor slobs getting killed, AMFA got rich, NWA got rich AND the mech.s got slaughtered.Over 50% of the people are stupid, that's how AMFA got in, and of that 50% + how many will admitt that they were wrong?

Isn't that the truth.

MCI transplant said:
<_< ------- So what are you saying? They sleep through that also? 😛
<_< AMFA------ I've been singing this song now for the last year, at least!!! 😉
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You've got to be kidding. When I need to take care of
a headache I don't go to a guillotine salesman.
 
So LICEMAN, I take it that you're a YES voter? If we vote to strike at AA, will you scab? What is your limit for concessions, LICEMAN? When will you vote NO?
 
PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH said:
So LICEMAN, I take it that you're a YES voter? If we vote to strike at AA, will you scab? What is your limit for concessions, LICEMAN? When will you vote NO?
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Man, you're quick to judge......don't you read the Bible Princess???????

Watch out for that lightning!!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Bob Owens said:
Yes.

Despite the fact the England is about the most anti-worker country in Europe (Constitutional MONARCHY set up by the merchantile class portraying itself as a Democracy)its close proximity to Europe has benifitted its workers in that you guys enjoy a lot of protections that we dont have. Your government provided protections (from the Socialists) protects you guys from layoffs, paycuts and benifit cuts. You guys did not see the reductions we did and you earn the equivelent of about $20K-US more than we do. So you guys should be more than willing to do more, as for me, keep the extra work, I surely and not going to put out more work for less pay.
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hahaha, 😀 thats the best laugh i've had in ages... at least when we have "democratic" elections in this constitutional monarchy, the person with the most votes win!!! As for the rest of your drivel, we are not protected from layoffs, benefit and paycuts (we've had quite a few actually).
Maybe you should get your facts straight before you repeat crew room gossip. As for the pay, we do earn slightly more than our US colleagues but thats a result of having to live and work in an expensive part of the world.
I'm not going to get involved in an argument over who pays more taxes and who's petrol is more expensive. Market conditions dictate salaries on both sides of the Atlantic. end of story.
Ever wonder why the International Class 2's don't appear on the M&E cost dashboard, it would be a bit hard to explain why all the non-union stations are up in that right hand corner compared to a sizeable amount of union stations. You have to love the politics, "Do a good job, but don't tell anyone in case it p**ses of the unions"
 
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