Transition talks

[700UW]

Let me explain this to you one more time, maybe you will actually let it sink in and comprehend it.

From November 2, 2004 through January 6, 2005 the IAM M&R Negotiating Committee tried to hammer out a deal with the company.

Do you understand that company NEVER EVER NEVER EVER moved of their first position no matter what was offered to them?

See since you were not there, not an IAM Member, NOT an employee, I would not expect you to know this, eventhough I have posted many many times.

On January 4th or 5th, the IAM M&R NC gave the company a complete and comprehensive proposal that met their "ASK", to the penny, it was rejected and their answer was "It keeps too many people employed and we don't want to manage people or be in the people business".

So Mr Shell Answer Man, why don't you tell us now, what do you think?

 

[700UW]

The membership voted to ratify, that is the democratic choice they had.

Go ask the Nice Greek Lady how the IAM was treated by the company versus the IAM.

Once again you are only trying to stir the pot and not look at the facts and actually educate yourself on what happened, since you were not there, not involved and not a US Employee.

 

[usedtobe]

The membership voted to ratify, that is the democratic choice they had.

Go ask the Nice Greek Lady how the IAM was treated by the company versus the IAM.

Once again you are only trying to stir the pot and not look at the facts and actually educate yourself on what happened, since you were not there, not involved and not a US Employee.

I was a US employee and I am here to tell you IAM membership did have a choice. All the company and the IAM did was pit the hubs against the class II stations! The hubs voted YES because they got to keep their jobs and got a $2 an hour raise. The IAM should have encouraged everyone to vote NO!

 

[fanlube]

On January 4th or 5th, the IAM M&R NC gave the company a complete and comprehensive proposal that met their "ASK", to the penny, it was rejected and their answer was "It keeps too many people employed and we don't want to manage people or be in the people business".


Then the Leadership should of responded by telling the company they would be calling the locals and telling them to prepare to strike and start rolling boxes and the company would have been out of business with nobody to manage! The only tool the union had was to strike and they didn't use it, when everything was one the line that was fought for over many years and the company was taking it all away and they took pretty much everything, the leadership and the memberhip did nothing! The yes voting leadership and membership allowed this to happen so just keep your mouths shut when the company does what it pleases remember you YES VOTERS let it happen!! The company used the tools it had to fight and the union didn't enough said! One last note, if the union wasn't willing to fight when everything was on the line during BK do you really beleive the company will take any of their threats serious during transition talks if the union dosen't get what its asking for, not a chance!

 

[700UW]

Well the CLT and PHL members of the NC were all for it and some in CLT did roll their boxes out, but your PIT delegation was dead set against it.

Guess you have not read the NWA against the AFA court decision, the Judge ruled that a contract abrogation does not permit the union to strike.

And the members did not even vote 1/3 to strike, so please enlighten me how you would have struck the carrier when 2/3s of the membership voted NO to strike?

And I guess you don't realize in Chapter 11 the company has all the power not the union.

And for the record I voted no on the CBA and yes to strike!

 

[VOR]

Last time I looked no at US Airways or any other company was holding anyone at gunpoint to continue working at a place that they felt didn't respect them.

All of us are born with a free will. Some choose not to take charge of their lives and careers and then act surprised when their best interests aren't always number one on the hierarchy of needs of those they rely on for guidance. It's almost always easier to blame others for your plight than it is to take action to alter the course of your life.

I have a friend who is a flight nurse with the military and she has a saying that I thought was very harsh and mean but over time I realized she was right, so here goes

"If you don't like your life, Change It" Kudo's to Col Gordon

Piney, you are spot on!

 

[EricLv2Fish]

Last time I looked no at US Airways or any other company was holding anyone at gunpoint to continue working at a place that they felt didn't respect them.

All of us are born with a free will. Some choose not to take charge of their lives and careers and then act surprised when their best interests aren't always number one on the hierarchy of needs of those they rely on for guidance. It's almost always easier to blame others for your plight than it is to take action to alter the course of your life.

I have a friend who is a flight nurse with the military and she has a saying that I thought was very harsh and mean but over time I realized she was right, so here goes

"If you don't like your life, Change It" Kudo's to Col Gordon

Boy the liberals won't like that statement 😉

 

[fanlube]

Well the CLT and PHL members of the NC were all for it and some in CLT did roll their boxes out, but your PIT delegation was dead set against it.

Guess you have not read the NWA against the AFA court decision, the Judge ruled that a contract abrogation does not permit the union to strike.

And the members did not even vote 1/3 to strike, so please enlighten me how you would have struck the carrier when 2/3s of the membership voted NO to strike?

And I guess you don't realize in Chapter 11 the company has all the power not the union.

And for the record I voted no on the CBA and yes to strike!

Well that kind of shoots down your argument of the IAM being fair don't it, two want to walk one dosent and we don't walk. And the BK Judge in the NWA case ok'd the strike the company had to appeal and the flight attendants just filed their appeal. And of course the company has all the power in Chapter 11 and they used it, the only power any union has is it's willingness to walk off the job obviously the Leadership and the Membership weren't and aren't willing to do that. Everybody on the East shouldn't be surprised at anything the company does they voted to let them take everything so either shut up or quit! And by the way Pit is not my delegation, don't let the facts get in your way

 

[700UW]

I guess you did not read what I typed.

2/3s of the membership voted NOT to strike.

The IAM requires a 2/3s majority vote in order to strike.

So how succesful would it be if only 1 in 3 walked?

 

[Dog Wonder]

I guess you did not read what I typed.

2/3s of the membership voted NOT to strike.

The IAM requires a 2/3s majority vote in order to strike.

So how succesful would it be if only 1 in 3 walked?

Until the IAM has Solidarity they are useless without Viagra.

 

[fanlube]

I guess you did not read what I typed.

2/3s of the membership voted NOT to strike.

The IAM requires a 2/3s majority vote in order to strike.

So how succesful would it be if only 1 in 3 walked?

I think you need to reread what you wrote CLT and PHL members of the NC were for it and the PIT delegation was dead set against it, So you tell me smart guy why then didn't the LEADERSHIP make a reccomendation to vote no on the proposal and yes to strike. You said it yourself no one city is stronger than another well I guess that isn't the case is it! It looks to me like one city is more powerful than 2 in this case! I also know what the IAM requires in order to strike but thanks for letting me in on that!

 

[700UW]

There was no reccomendation given because, OD, CLT and PHL NC members were wanting to tell everyone to vote no, the two people from PIT were dead set against it, so there was a split amongst the committee.

And the NC members did tell everyone to VOTE YES to Strike, I know the two places I polled for the CBA I informed them on the Yes to Strike.

 

[awausairtech]

There was no reccomendation given because, OD, CLT and PHL NC members were wanting to tell everyone to vote no, the two people from PIT were dead set against it, so there was a split amongst the committee.

And the NC members did tell everyone to VOTE YES to Strike, I know the two places I polled for the CBA I informed them on the Yes to Strike.

ANY ONE NEED A TEAMSTERS CARD!

 

[700UW]

Haven't learned you lesson yet?

Gee, I see your ibt did a great job, what has it been, two or three years without a raise?

What happened to that new CBA?

 

[700UW]

Gee Bob,

Guess you cant comprehend, the company gave a final offer after the judge abrogated the CBA, which means no more contract.

The company gave a final offer and the members ratified it, the IAM is not just the officers, it is the members, who used their democratic right to vote and ratified it.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

Gee how mature, keep bringing up 22 out of over 500,000, at least we dont break into other people's offices, steal from their desk and then rat them out to make yourself look better. Your a great example of character, NOT!