Tulsa AMT movement.
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Yes DNTULSADNTULSA said:
Just add one thing to your comment and that's what it looks like is happening. Taking.more senior A&Ps out of the shops and backfilling those shops with no A&PS and less senior A&PS. Their are a lot of higher senior A&PS that love the shops (who can blame them?). Before the 95 contract the more senior A&PS loved the shops. The CAM building is where alot of older/senior A&PS would move to before retirement. After 95 they started the SRP/OSM occupation. The contract stated that there was to be a certain percentage of A&PS in each shop. That made the CAM building primarily SRPs and knocked the A&PS to the hangar. Slowly after time and layoffs A&PS retired and AA would fill those hangar vacancies with Welders, Machinist and Platers. Now here we are 2015:and there are AMTOs with A&PS working in the shops. So now like I mentioned above they want those AMTOs out on the aircraft and the older senior Welders, Machinist and Platers (who were grandfathered in) off the aircraft. I hope to find out more Monday and get this cleared up.
It's possible there might be a local agreement between the union and company that the members never knew about. All of a sudden it's implemented and the members never knew anything was coming. This practice is not uncommon with the TWU. I'm sure a further explanation is coming. Unfortunately I believe this is one piece of the puzzle for what is going to happen in the future. There is a plan in the works for Tulsa and overhaul. We don't know fully what it is but since negotiations are barely started just wait and see what the company is going to propose to the union.
It's hard to have any pitty for an A&P mech who is forced out of shop to work on actual aircraft. i can easily see a TUL layoff, as the line stations are short handed, and with the new scope of 100% line and 50% OH, we will be doing more work at line stations and will need experienced mechs.
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What new scope? IAM has 100% line in-house and TWU is 85% in-house. IAM is 50% (???) on base and AA is 65% in-house. The IAM/TWU line scope is going to have to end up closer to the TWU one unless they can get AA to restrict GRU, GIG, SCL, EZE, and LHR to turn work only. Those people are AA but considered outsourced line work. The new IAM/TWU scope will have to adjust for all the TAESL engine work dropping and the new engines like the GE90 and V2500 (AA) being PbtH. All said and done the base capacity will have to either adjust to meet the merged scope clause (Four bases - TUL, PIT, and DWH plus TAESL) or adjust the outsourcing percentage down to keep enough work in-house to keep them all open.
What new scope? IAM has 100% line in-house and TWU is 85% in-house. IAM is 50% (???) on base and AA is 65% in-house. The IAM/TWU line scope is going to have to end up closer to the TWU one unless they can get AA to restrict GRU, GIG, SCL, EZE, and LHR to turn work only. Those people are AA but considered outsourced line work. The new IAM/TWU scope will have to adjust for all the TAESL engine work dropping and the new engines like the GE90 and V2500 (AA) being PbtH. All said and done the base capacity will have to either adjust to meet the merged scope clause (Four bases - TUL, PIT, and DWH plus TAESL) or adjust the outsourcing percentage down to keep enough work in-house to keep them all open.
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I heard it this way, The USAir/IAM has no non-licensed mechanics? and to have these non-licensed is a AA/TWU FAA approved work scope. To become a SOC, it will be required to have the same policy. The TULE Director told these 450? non-licensed mechanics to go back to work on the docks. Do not forget that TWU has a skill premium for these non-licensed mechanics.
Placing the 450 (?) non licensed high seniority mechanics in the hangar will produce 2 results useful to the company.
1. Some of the unlicensed high seniority mechanics may retire because they don't like hangar work.
2. When the layoff comes, the mechanics in the hangars at TULE will not be disturbed by bumping. Only the mechanics in the shops will be affected. (mostly) Bumping (and backfilling) will take place at the out of town line stations.
1. Some of the unlicensed high seniority mechanics may retire because they don't like hangar work.
2. When the layoff comes, the mechanics in the hangars at TULE will not be disturbed by bumping. Only the mechanics in the shops will be affected. (mostly) Bumping (and backfilling) will take place at the out of town line stations.
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I didn't know that I was a less of an A&P because I don't work on "ACTUAL AIRCRAFT", I don't remember anybigjets said:
extra classes or tests to take so I can work on "ACTUAL AIRCRAFT". I new a few guys who sucked at working
on turbine engines that transferred to line stations, I wonder how they ever made the transformation to working
on "ACTUAL AIRCRAFT"?
You have been blaming our miserable contract on Tulsa for as long as I have been reading this forum, in a way you
are correct but your blame should be focused on the TWU for deciding that the quantity over the quality of jobs is
the way to go.
I have no doubt when the next contract is signed you will have your Delta plus 7% pay and you will still ***** and
complain that it was too little too late. For guys like me who chose to move to Tulsa from high cost cities because
we felt it was the best move for our families , we will continue to work in our lowly shops for as long as they are still
there. But soon most of us will exit gracefully from AA because we saw the writing on the wall
The word I got today was that the stamps the machinists and welders had were not compatible with hangar work but that is being rectified. The guy I talked to did not know what was being done to rectify the problem but I am guessing they will be issued new stamps with AMTO on them or something to that effect. If I find out more I'll let you know my friend. By the way, you need to come and see me some morning. I'm coming in at 4:30 AM these days.BigMac said:
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Same thing I was told this morning. They were asking why I was signing pattern/work cards and not stamping them. My stamp is on back order. Go figure. Also today Dewey Bartlett back tracked on the 2025 tax money. He said it wouldn't go toward modifying the hangars for the 737s. He said it would go toward Arkansas river projects.
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Also was told the TWU/AA/Employees are in a pi$$ing match over seniority, working 4/10s, then back and forth to 5/8s weekend coverage. So AA is taking the stance if employees don't agree with it ..they'll find those that will.
