Twu Enemy Of Democracy

[proAMFA]

Can anyone name the date union representation was voted on at American Eagle?

Can anyone name the date union representation was voted on at TWA-LLC?

Can anyone name the date the membership approved of Jim Little's post at the ATD?

Yingst?

Burchette?

How about the date of the last representational election at AA?

Why would any organization that claimed to be democratic inflate a personnel list with over 2,000 names of ghost employee's in order to prevent an election?

What happens to TWU officers when they don't bow to Sonny and bow to the TWU's socialist agenda?

Why did the TWU bring back a contract that was not shared sacrifice and then cry about its lack of shared sacrifice one year later-after intimidating the membership into voting for it in 2003?

 

[Steve Connell]

Can anyone name the date union representation was voted on at TWA-LLC?

*Ahem*....Now really proAMFA, please post when a vote is allowed,to a purchased work force, in a purchase scenario. AA purchased TWA. There is not a vote to be taken in this scenario, unless you know better. Are you perhaps "reaching" here in order to fill space? Or is this typical of the AMFA way?

 

[Decision 2004]

*Ahem*....Now really proAMFA, please post when a vote is allowed,to a purchased work force, in a purchase scenario. AA purchased TWA. There is not a vote to be taken in this scenario, unless you know better. Are you perhaps "reaching" here in order to fill space? Or is this typical of the AMFA way?

Not True,


Had the IAM submitted the cards we signed to the NMB, those cards plus the TWA eligible employees would have sufficed the required card count.

Maybe you should read the NMB Representation Manual before you continue to expose your ignorance?

Here is the Manual - See Section 19 and READ IT

I signed an IAM Authorization card and mailed it in.
I would rather have the IAM than the TWU.

The IAM chose NOT to file for a vote, because AMFA would have won by write-in ballots.

 

[Steve Connell]

Not True,


Had the IAM submitted the cards we signed to the NMB, those cards plus the TWA eligible employees would have sufficed the required card count.

Maybe you should read the NMB Representation Manual before you continue to expose your ignorance?

Here is the Manual - See Section 19 and READ IT

I signed an IAM Authorization card and mailed it in.
I would rather have the IAM than the TWU.

The IAM chose NOT to file for a vote, because AMFA would have won by write-in ballots.

Dave, I ,and other TWA emplyees, had no knowledge of your "signed cards" to the NMB. Should we have possessed that knowledge? Or did you fail in not giving us that same knowledge?

Expose my ignorance? Daily. You are the one that puts up the front of "knowing all", not I Dave. You are being exposed, however, by your own posts, hopefully the AMFA organizers and leadership will rid themselves of your liability. I have in my possession several letters from AMFA activists that state.."WE CANNOT CHOOSE WHO ARE ON OUR SIDES AT TIMES" , referring to you by name Dave. I, unlike yourself, do not post items asked to be held in confidence, another one of your attributes.

 

[Decision 2004]

Dave, I ,and other TWA emplyees, had no knowledge of your "signed cards" to the NMB. Should we have possessed that knowledge? Or did you fail in not giving us that same knowledge?

Expose my ignorance? Daily. You are the one that puts up the front of "knowing all", not I Dave. You are being exposed, however, by your own posts, hopefully the AMFA organizers and leadership will rid themselves of your liability. I have in my possession several letters from AMFA activists that state.."WE CANNOT CHOOSE WHO ARE ON OUR SIDES AT TIMES" , referring to you by name Dave. I, unlike yourself, do not post items asked to be held in confidence, another one of your attributes.

And you expect us to believe that if these "several" letters existed, they wouldn't be great TWU cannon fodder?

If you feel so strongly that I am the problem instead of the TWU, then by all means expose the letters and save your job.

I feel quite honored that you continue to place my presence or existence within the AMFA Movement as something worth debating. However, Steve, I fear you over estimate my place, not only in this drive, but in the World in general. I am nothing more than a pebble of sand on a beach. As you have stated time and time again, I don't posses the A&P, just as you don't. I am simply tired of the TWU an industrial unions degrading the profession and I would rather be outnumbered by A&P Mechanics in my union, than Bus Drivers, Baggage Handlers, and Bar Tenders.

I have told you more than once, that the AMFA movement is not about me, not about Dan, not about T.A. Anyone of us can be removed or disgraced and the Mechanics of the industry still need to join a craft union.

 

[skydrol]

Decision 2004,
As a reader of various boards for years concerning our plight i have to admit the most disturbing thing i see you do is keep posting over and over a confidential e mail sent to you. Why do you do it? Just to try to win a argument? Please help me understand? Off topic? if thats a problem i will start a new one! Many folks in my work area talk about this subject so we just want to hear your explanation? Whats sacred and whats not? Help me please...Yes the TWU is a enemy of democracy and they sell us out every time but the confidential thing is concerning?????Is there any boundries?????
Love,SKY

 

[Decision 2004]

Decision 2004,
As a reader of various boards for years concerning our plight i have to admit the most disturbing thing i see you do is keep posting over and over a confidential e mail sent to you. Why do you do it? Just to try to win a argument? Please help me understand? Off topic? if thats a problem i will start a new one! Many folks in my work area talk about this subject so we just want to hear your explanation? Whats sacred and whats not? Help me please...Yes the TWU is a enemy of democracy and they sell us out every time but the confidential thing is concerning?????Is there any boundries?????
Love,SKY

A serious requester for such information would provide a real name instead of an alias.

Tell me who you are and I will come by and talk with the "many" co-workers directly and face to face instead of sending an alias to relay my sentiments and I will explain my boundries in person.

Oops, you do have many "folks" who want to hear this message, and you do have a real name also, don't you?

 

[Radman]

Dave, I ,and other TWA emplyees, had no knowledge of your "signed cards" to the NMB. Should we have possessed that knowledge? Or did you fail in not giving us that same knowledge?

Expose my ignorance? Daily. You are the one that puts up the front of "knowing all", not I Dave. You are being exposed, however, by your own posts, hopefully the AMFA organizers and leadership will rid themselves of your liability. I have in my possession several letters from AMFA activists that state.."WE CANNOT CHOOSE WHO ARE ON OUR SIDES AT TIMES" , referring to you by name Dave. I, unlike yourself, do not post items asked to be held in confidence, another one of your attributes.

Steve, with all of the people that the twu and aa want to add to the list (most are old TWA emps.), you should have had an election between the twu and iam at the time of merger. As always aa and twu worked hand in hand to hide those numbers till it benefited themselves. :blink: :blink:

 

[Steve Connell]

Steve, with all of the people that the twu and aa want to add to the list (most are old TWA emps.), you should have had an election between the twu and iam at the time of merger. As always aa and twu worked hand in hand to hide those numbers till it benefited themselves. :blink: :blink:

Rad, if we should have had an election then why did not the IAM push for one? It wasn't a matter of "selling us down the river", monthly dues are $$$. I believe if what you stated is correct then there would have been an action by the IAM to retain bargaining agent. The IAM was privy to any and all headcounts, don't think they weren't.

Personally, and this is my opinion only, the TWU is constructed better than the IAM. With the IAM we had a "District Level" that could make or break our grievances, advance to arbitration or not. Our dues money was not kept locally at the rate the TWU allows. We, the members, control our local and handle our own problems ourselves, this I like. Autonomy is a good thing. I had no problems with the IAM, but I do like the TWU's way of business better.

I see it difficult for any union to be perfect with the industries changing almost on a monthly basis. Our fights are many for the working class and the rules seem to change with the wind.

I read over and over again about the TWU and AA working hand in hand, being in "bed together". Do you think that AMFA will not establish a rapport with AA as other unions have? Or do you think they will make demands upon AA and stand and fight AA until the last member is out the door. I think not. If AMFA is a union, by professionals, then AMFA will also "be in bed" with the Company, it's called negotiating through rapport, AMFA is no different.

 

[skydrol]

Decision,
I did not see the requirement for real names? and since you real name is decision 2004 then you should dis-own your parents for saddeling you with such a insane name. Ok i will finish with i know you are but what am i playground retoric. Should be right up your alley????

 

[Decision 2004]

Decision,
I did not see the requirement for real names? and since you real name is decision 2004 then you should dis-own your parents for saddeling you with such a insane name. Ok i will finish with i know you are but what am i playground retoric. Should be right up your alley????

Sure thing Steve.

 

[Radman]

Rad, if we should have had an election then why did not the IAM push for one?

Maybe it is because if you had pushed for an election (just like the one I believe we are about to have), then the AMFA supporters could have written in AMFA just like you could write in iam if you so choose (I know you said you like twu better).

Personally, and this is my opinion only, the TWU is constructed better than the IAM.
I see it difficult for any union to be perfect with the industries changing almost on a monthly basis. Our fights are many for the working class and the rules seem to change with the wind.

I can only say that the iam must have been beyond terrible!! You are correct that things change daily but it should not always be our pocket books that change, or our work conditions change.

I read over and over again about the TWU and AA working hand in hand, being in "bed together". Do you think that AMFA will not establish a rapport with AA as other unions have? Or do you think they will make demands upon AA and stand and fight AA until the last member is out the door.

Having a working relationship and being in bed together are two different animals. One insures the best possible wages and working conditions and the other one does not. I am tired of the latter.