TWU,TEAMSTERS AND AA

[2ndGENAMT]

Where was the IBT when AA and the TWU negotiators were sitting on their thumbs dragging the negotiation process out for years??? Why didn't they come riding in and save the day then? Because IBT wants 5+ years of dues before they have to negotiate anything!!

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Again, counselor, an outside attorney made the statement and put his FIRM at the center of his claim that HE believes the contract can legally be reopened. If you bothered to look at the link I provided, you would have seen this claim is not just on the Teamster site, it is also on the Law Firm's own site.

http://www.barkanmei.../josh-mcinerney

I am not an attorney, McInerney is. His contact information is also on the web site I posted. If you are truly as concerned as you say and not just playing politics for amfa, look into the subject and ask the questions of him yourself. He makes his e-mail available which tells me he is ready to defend his position.

He quotes using the same argument against UA in order to convince the company we had a right to open the agreement after changing unions to the IBT. I personally have no doubts that this discussion was had between the lawyers at the carrier and the union. If he says the discussion was had and was ale to convince the company that the agreement could be opened in section 6 negotiations, who am I to refute this? If you disagree, or disbelieve his claim you should be able to contact him and have a lawyer to lawyer talk.

Will you at least post the results of this discussion?

He made a statement..... He put his "FIRM" at the center of his claim ....SO WHAT!

Lawyers make statements everyday the world over, then go to court and promptly L-O-S-E!

Just because he puts a video on youtube doesn't afford it any grand validation.

Why have you sidestepped my questions?

Again....

Do you deny McInerney MISQUOTED the decision referenced?

Do you deny YOU MISQUOTED the decision referenced?

Have you even read the ACTUAL Decision?

https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/24/24.F3d.1432.92-7253.html

And whats this idiocy?

He quotes using the same argument against UA in order to convince the company we had a right to open the agreement after changing unions to the IBT. I personally have no doubts that this discussion was had between the lawyers at the carrier and the union. If he says the discussion was had and was ale to convince the company that the agreement could be opened in section 6 negotiations, who am I to refute this? If you disagree, or disbelieve his claim you should be able to contact him and have a lawyer to lawyer talk.

In his video McInerney CLEARLY states based on "legal precedence and practical experience" he then MISQUOTES a key portion of the decision, and then "on the practical side" he cites the teamsters at UAL.

The teamsters DID NOT force the contract open early at UAL. Its a LIE, you know it, and obviously lack the integrity to admit it.

 

[Anomaly]

^ ^ ^

You are asking me to answer what someone else wrote and stated in a video? What are you afraid of??

ASK THE GUY WHO MADE THE STATEMENT!!!

I gave you his e-mail and contact information. Do you need a hand to hold?

You have a disagreement with your views on law vs the attorney who made an opposing statement. I choose to believe the attorney is most likely more correct than you and I quoted HIM. If you have an issue with HIS POSITION, again, ASK HIM!!

I did not know heroes could be so afraid to ask a question.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

The question here is, what are you so afraid of?

I have no need to question a lawyer when I can read the decision and see he has misquoted it

Can't you read the decision?

Can't you discern that what it says and what the lawyer(and you) quoted are not the same.

Why do you refuse to acknowledge what he said about the teamsters opening the contract at UAL is a LIE?

Thats not an opinion, it either did or did not happen, yet you continue to try to evade what is obvious to just about everyone else.

Deceptive, Disingenuous, and Evasive when faced with the truth..... you're a splendid example of everything that is wrong with the teamsters.

 

[Anomaly]

The question here is, what are you so afraid of?

I have no need to question a lawyer when I can read the decision and see he has misquoted it

Can't you read the decision?

Can't you discern that what it says and what the lawyer(and you) quoted are not the same.

Why do you refuse to acknowledge what he said about the teamsters opening the contract at UAL is a LIE?

Thats not an opinion, it either did or did not happen, yet you continue to try to evade what is obvious to just about everyone else.

Deceptive, Disingenuous, and Evasive when faced with the truth..... you're a splendid example of everything that is wrong with the teamsters.

You are truly amazing. A statement is issued by an attorney and you, the self proclaimed hero disagrees.

I side with the lawyer and you want ME to answer for his statements?

Do you realize you are offering the perfect insight as to why amfa and you FAILED?

🙄 🙄 🙄

 

[TRAVIS]

....Honey Badger don't care....Honey Badger will just kill that snake and eat it. 🙄

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

You are truly amazing. A statement is issued by an attorney and you, the self proclaimed hero disagrees.

I side with the lawyer and you want ME to answer for his statements?

Do you realize you are offering the perfect insight as to why amfa and you FAILED?

🙄 🙄 🙄

No, the original statement was made by YOU.

You cited the AFA vs USAirways decision and misquoted it, never once mentioning McInerney.

Your original post...

You might want to check that crystal ball of yours sunshine?

You are forgetting a couple of other points, namely; U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia in AFA vs. US Airways in 1994. The court found that “a newly-certified union has full bargaining rights with respect to covered employees without regard to whether the employees have previously been covered by a collective bargaining agreement.”

Or you all can just stay where you are for the next several years? I am hoping that the many realistic thinkers will outnumber the few ignorant and you will be IBT Brothers soon enough.

By the way, those of you who keep repeatedly doubting that the Teamsters will reopen the contract are the same lot of you who believed the Teamsters campaign was a sham. Most of you stated that the Teamsters would NEVER file and this was all a ruse to get rid of amfa.

How is that prediction working out for you?

My post was to the American Mechanics pointing out that you and the lawyer were misquoting the decision.

You responded by trying to defend McInerney and his position, and only now that you figured out you can't defend it you claim that I'm some how in the wrong for challenging you on your initial defense. .... Thats weak!

So tell you what, since you're incapable of defending the teamsters lawyer howabout you answer for yourself and your initial post? Consider it an integrity gut check.

Here again is the link to the actual decision:

https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/24/24.F3d.1432.92-7253.html

Do you acknowledge you misquoted this decision?


Oh just so you know, trying to deflect on AMFA for what is clearly more teamster deception, just proves my point .... Deceptive, Disingenuous, and Evasive when faced with the truth.....

 

[Anomaly]

No, the original statement was made by YOU.

You cited the AFA vs USAirways decision and misquoted it, never once mentioning McInerney.

Your original post...



My post was to the American Mechanics pointing out that you and the lawyer were misquoting the decision.

You responded by trying to defend McInerney and his position, and only now that you figured out you can't defend it you claim that I'm some how in the wrong for challenging you on your initial defense. .... Thats weak!

So tell you what, since you're incapable of defending the teamsters lawyer howabout you answer for yourself and your initial post? Consider it an integrity gut check.

Here again is the link to the actual decision:

https://bulk.resourc...32.92-7253.html

Do you acknowledge you misquoted this decision?


Oh just so you know, trying to deflect on AMFA for what is clearly more teamster deception, just proves my point .... Deceptive, Disingenuous, and Evasive when faced with the truth.....

Dude your giving me a headache....

I acknowledge only that I am not a attorney and referred to someone who is in my post. UUUUHHHHHGGG.
Your like debating a 4 year old. I have to explain everything.

The original statement made by me was re-posting a statement made by someone smarter than me on the subject. In other words, I quoted the attorney who initially made the statement. Once again, I have no reason to doubt his knowledge on the subject.

Look, Hero, I'll make you a deal. Since you are obviously to afraid or too bullheaded to write this attorney and ask him to explain himself, I'll do it for you.

So that I have it right, you claim that your opinion based on your expert knowledge of law and the link you provided concludes something different than what Mr. McInerney claims, and as such he must be either wrong or lying. Nutshell?

I will inform him of his error (according to you) and ask him to explain himself. That should end this foolishness.
Fair enough?

 

[TRAVIS]

Anomaly I found place's were AMFA supporters can run free and be happy with themselves and be with others who view things in that special way they do and work with out a care in the world because AMFA is watching over them.
It's a place of ideal perfection especially in laws, government, and social conditions it's AMFA UTOPIA!
Now for the bad news....It's only at a few select locations and only small group's partake in this type of association.
What a Dream Land!!!!!!

http://www.southwest...eers/index.html

https://careers.alas...Alaska-Main.asp


VOTE IBT
IBT IN 2013
GO IBT

 

[Anomaly]

Anomaly I found place's were AMFA supporters can run free and be happy with themselves and be with others who view things in that special way they do and work with out a care in the world because AMFA is watching over them.
It's a place of ideal perfection especially in laws, government, and social conditions it's AMFA UTOPIA!
Now for the bad news....It's only at a few select locations and only small group's partake in this type of association.
What a Dream Land!!!!!!

http://www.southwest...eers/index.html

https://careers.alas...Alaska-Main.asp


VOTE IBT
IBT IN 2013
GO IBT

HA.... Too funny.

I would have a drink but I have to work soon.

 

[Anomaly]

Done. E-mail sent to Mr Josh McInerney.

I will post his response when (or if) I get one.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Dude your giving me a headache....

I acknowledge only that I am not a attorney and referred to someone who is in my post. UUUUHHHHHGGG.
Your like debating a 4 year old. I have to explain everything.

The original statement made by me was re-posting a statement made by someone smarter than me on the subject. In other words, I quoted the attorney who initially made the statement. Once again, I have no reason to doubt his knowledge on the subject.

Look, Hero, I'll make you a deal. Since you are obviously to afraid or too bullheaded to write this attorney and ask him to explain himself, I'll do it for you.

So that I have it right, you claim that your opinion based on your expert knowledge of law and the link you provided concludes something different than what Mr. McInerney claims, and as such he must be either wrong or lying. Nutshell?

I will inform him of his error (according to you) and ask him to explain himself. That should end this foolishness.
Fair enough?

Of course you don't have it right, but then you seldom do.

You seem utterly incapable of answering the simplest question - Did you misquote the decision?

So you're gonna write your lawyer to find out, thats nice. Just curious, when he sticks to his misquote(because thats what the teamsters pay him to do), are you gonna actually come back here and claim that you didn't misquote the decision? I only ask because up til now it sounds like you and your pretzel logic are angling toward that.

I for one always knew you lacked the integrity to take responsibility for yourself, its why we end up in these lovely little back and forths from time to time, I'd just like to thank you for yet again another splendid example of your lack of character, and for sharing it with the board.

 

[Anomaly]

Of course you don't have it right, but then you seldom do.

You seem utterly incapable of answering the simplest question - Did you misquote the decision?

So you're gonna write your lawyer to find out, thats nice. Just curious, when he sticks to his misquote(because thats what the teamsters pay him to do), are you gonna actually come back here and claim that you didn't misquote the decision? I only ask because up til now it sounds like you and your pretzel logic are angling toward that.

I for one always knew you lacked the integrity to take responsibility for yourself, its why we end up in these lovely little back and forths from time to time, I'd just like to thank you for yet again another splendid example of your lack of character, and for sharing it with the board.

You are deft. I had other words but mama always said if you cant say something nice...

(more expletives) I referenced, duplicated, took, lifted, stole, the quote from the Teamster hired attorney you (more bad words, sorry but I am frustrated with your ignorance). I am a lead mechanic, not a lawyer. I quoted an attorney. That is it. Now I asked the attorney to explain himself because another attorney/mechanic/hero (again more really bad words) says he disagrees.

I did not hire this guy, I do not know this guy, and for the record, I do not know if he will even answer. I really hope he does because I would love to give you HIS answer to YOUR differing opinion.

I simply believe an attorney rather than a self proclaimed hero in matters of law. How is that so hard for you to understand (yeah, a long string of really really bad words follow this. Man I am sorry but you really make me want to do some really hard drugs).

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

You are deft. I had other words but mama always said if you cant say something nice...

(more expletives) I referenced, duplicated, took, lifted, stole, the quote from the Teamster hired attorney you (more bad words, sorry but I am frustrated with your ignorance). I am a lead mechanic, not a lawyer. I quoted an attorney. That is it. Now I asked the attorney to explain himself because another attorney/mechanic/hero (again more really bad words) says he disagrees.

I did not hire this guy, I do not know this guy, and for the record, I do not know if he will even answer. I really hope he does because I would love to give you HIS answer to YOUR differing opinion.

I simply believe an attorney rather than a self proclaimed hero in matters of law. How is that so hard for you to understand (yeah, a long string of really really bad words follow this. Man I am sorry but you really make me want to do some really hard drugs).

Wow, you are truly one ignorant individual.

This isn't my "opinion". This is THE COURTS OPINION.

You have the link

The actual COURTS DECISION does not match your lawyers quote (the one you...referenced, duplicated, took, lifted, stole.)

Why do you continue to deny this OBVIOUS FACT?

Your utter lack of comprehension is staggering.

 

[FWAAA]

The only issue in AFA v USAir was whether the Shuttle employees were automatically covered by the AFA-USAir contract or their existing TWU-Trump Shuttle contract until a new combined joint agreement could be negotiated.

The court correctly upheld the district court's decision that found that the status quo was the TWU-Trump Shuttle contract, not the AFA-USAir contract.

Nothing in the holding supports any assertion that a newly elected representative has any power to force the employer to renegotiate an existing contract prior to its amendable date.

Again, the IBT, their stooge mouthpieces and even apparently an outside attorney are willing to misrepresent and distort the truth in their quest to get your money.

Almost makes the losers running the worthless union look like choirboys by comparison.

And guys, it wasn't USAirways. At the time, it was called USAir. Read the decision.