I have every right to say he's any idiot. We have seen him in action and he was an idiot. Even the AT guys say he was an idiot. Not guessing or giving an opinion here, just telling how a certain attorney performed in person during what was suppose to be representation. very pathetic and embarrassing for the AT guys. BTW, you are so quick to point out that the SWA mechanics are so slow in getting a contract when we have only been beyond amendable date for 9 months when the UAL boys are on 4 years and still no JCBA. What gives?
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Wow! Still committing all the crimes. Date was just 5 days ago...Teamsters did what in 12 months? Filed? That does not guarantee a vote. AMFA filed in 04 and we thought we had enough cards. I'll wait until the decision is made. Then I will write in AMFA if a ballot comes my way. Be careful what you wish for with the IBT. You might just get it. Before you pull the trigger on the Teamsters compare constitutions. Industrial unionism vs Class and Craft unions. If I had no other choice between the IBT and the TWU I would vote for the TWU. As bad as they are and have screwed us over and over the IBT is worse. All you have to do is compare constitutions between the two. The TWU and IBT are similar but the IBT is worse in many ways. Be thankful the NMB rules allows a write in choice. AMFA will be that choice. SWA kicked out the Teamsters and never looked back. They have no regrets. You do not hear the guys at SWA or Alaska bithin about AMFA. Do you? Must be a reason why. Do a search on the IBT and all their corruptions, pension funds and briberies. Is this what you want? We are skilled professionals. We have a skilled professional union to choose. Do not go with another Industrial union that will make nothing but promises they can not keep. They spent millions $$$ on this drive. If they failed to get a vote it is no big deal for them. They do this all the time. Spend, spend and spend more of their members dues money on drives. They have a bad record on successful drives. Do not believe everything you hear at work. Look it up for yourself. A vote for the Teamsters is a vote to loose your pension. They see $$$$$ in our pension. That is all they see. $$$$$$ They could care less about you and me.
Here is one story you should read about the Teamsters. Then ask yourself is this the union I want to represent me?
http://www.freep.com...ownsend-produce
I have my doubts if there will be an election. That is my opinion based on what I read and hear from the guys at work. We will see for sure in about two weeks.
AMFA is dead in MIA also! Looking forward in voting tge TWU out
Unbelievable, If people can flip that easy, we were doomed from the start. Typical that people point fingers and do nothing to help but sign a card. Did any of the these people do anything to help? Did they to drive to Tulsa every week (4 hrs each way) like the AMFA coordinators from DFW did to get mechanics in Tulsa to open there eyes? We have only to blame but ourselves, why if we hate this union so much, why does it takes us 12 months to get more than 50% of the cards signed? It should only take a couple of months and we should have these cards signed before the IBT even showed on the property.
We never learn and whats our choice to have another union that is the same or worse than what we have now and pay more for it. God forbid we get teamsters in AA, they will be bitching and moaning about that too.
Sure maybe somethings weren't handled correctly, But we should never give up trying to get rid of these "Lower your expectation",
"They can that brother', "We will open your contract when we get elected" unaccountable unions.
Write in AMFA if we get a ballot!!!
Amfa is done at AA, 2 decades of hearing about AMFA, when they finally get the chance, they blow the opportunity of a lifetime to get 14k mechanic and related (USair and AA combined) nothing against the organizers but the AMFA national that just couldn't pull it off. The IBT comes in and pulls it off in one shot, in a year.
Lets look at a couple of things, UAL gets $6.50 more an hour then we do not including the $11k signing bonus!!!! We have heard nothing but promises from AMFA. when we voted in the 2003 contract Dell said "I would never sign a concessionary contract without a snap back clause." Then when AMFA at UAL had to take a concessionary contract, they did so without a snap back clause. WE need less talk and more action from a union.
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I think you all will end up with the representation you deserve.
BTW, Delle didn't/couldn't sign the contract. It negotiated by the negotiation committee and was voted in by the membership in BK, just like you guys (UA 53% to 47%).
Good Luck!
B) xUT
Really? UAL is making more than $40.00 dollars an hour?
I can give a crap what Delle said. We are making what we're making because of the weak ass, unaccountable union we have right now, not because of AMFA. Maybe if we had AMFA back then maybe we would of has a better contract, nobody knows what would of happened or what will happen. Like stating AMFA is done at AA, how do you know that? What do you want? For everyone to vote for Teamsters because UAL makes $6.00 more than me. Well UPS makes $10.00 more than UAL and its the same Union. If you want to compare, SWA makes $45.00 an hour and they have AMFA.
I will never give up and I will not be voting for Teamsters. I will be writing in AMFA if I get a ballot, In my opinion I do not think we will get one anyway, we'll have to wait and see.
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Good point using his performance at AT. Your statement "Even the AT guys say he was an idiot" must be another one of your many many lies. Afterall, if he did so poorly representing the AT IBT members, why then did they vote in the SLI agreement by 94%?
Thats right, 94% agreed with his legal advise and direction and you say he is an idiot?
Along with spelling, apparently math is also a weak point for you. The UA merger was announced May 2010. How does that make over 4 years from todays date? Just another of yor lies exposed.
Hey Bigjets do you know how card drives work? Where you on the property in 2004?
Did you see the final list of eligible voters the NMB allowed in 2004? We were 26 cards short out of over 15,000 signed. Where you an organizer then and are you one now? What part did you take in this current drive? Did you just sign a card and went back to work? Many organizers traveled the system on their own time to get cards signed. This was a drive that was 99% controlled by your dedicated fellow AMT's. It is easy to throw stones when many just sit and #### and do nothing to help the craft. If the Teamsters did not create a diversion AMFA would have filed a few months back with no problem. Did you know that? It was difficult to persuade the Teamsters Kool Aid drinkers to sign an AMFA card. What makes you think the Teamsters did it in a year? Do you know if they filed with enough cards at this point? Filing with the NMB is no guarantee a vote will happen. There is a process that takes place. Remember the AMFA filing back in 04?
We had the cards but the TWU and the company convinced the NMB to leave certain names on the list that had no reason to be there, hence the 26 card shortage. Just because UAL is getting X $ more and signing bonus do you think AA will give us the same? If you like the UAL deal so much go and apply at UAL for a job. No one is stopping you. We are stuck with this crap until 2018. Maybe a jbca might change a few things but do not expect a leap frog contract over what UAL might be getting. This is AA not UAL. When AMFA was at UAL they were under BK. Sounds familiar? You are virtually stripped of your bargaining power under the BK courts. Sound familiar? So compare apples with apples.
If the Teamsters come up short what will you say then? Teamsters lied to us?
After you settle down from your frustration and anger take a look at both unions constitutions if you can find the time. You will see nothing has changed with AMFA.
They are still the same class and craft union that represents the craft YOU work in.
What a concept, uh? Are you hearing any complaints from the guys at SWA or Alaska about AMFA? Not a peep. They are satisfied with their representation. Will you be if the TWU or Teamsters represents you? That is the unknown since the Teamsters appoints and assigns members to locals and positions. How Democratic is that?
If a ballot comes your way give it a real hard thought before you vote for the Teamsters. It may affect you and us forever at AA. Then you will say to yourself, WTF did I vote for?
The best choice will be a WRITE IN for AMFA, the only union that will properly represent our craft and needs with a voice in all decisions. Try that concept with the Teamsters or TWU. Take some time to get the facts and make a informed decision before voting. You might surprise yourself in the outcome with AMFA.
