TWU Urges Governemtn to approve alliance..

[Hopeful]

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archive...nion-urges.html

 

[TWU informer]

Never ceases to amaze me, the TWU always on managements side.

And pretending to have some kind of political influence.

TWU- The Best Workers in the World

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< -----With British Air in trouble financially, there will be more and more pressure on AA to get this "alliance" done! ------ Than maybe the AA employees can work without pay also! Just to show our solidarity with our "British" brothers and sisters! :down:

 

[onthedock]

Never ceases to amaze me, the TWU always on managements side.

And pretending to have some kind of political influence.

TWU- The Best Workers in the World

Management's side? Get your head out of the sand.

 

[enough already]

Management's side? Get your head out of the sand.

Are you kidding me? What planet are you from. The pitiful twu has been so far up the company's AA**, that it is unbelievable anyone with half a brain cannot see this. "Brother" YOU are the one that needs to pull his head out. Apparently it is not sand though! :blink:

 

[onthedock]

Are you kidding me? What planet are you from. The pitiful twu has been so far up the company's AA**, that it is unbelievable anyone with half a brain cannot see this. "Brother" YOU are the one that needs to pull his head out. Apparently it is not sand though! :blink:

Hey, good timing. I just posted this on another AIP topic thread not too long ago:

" I'm relatively new to this site. I see there are quite a few "veteran" regulars. Does everyone spend their time here looking in the rear view mirror? "

Got my answer, thanks.

Earth...grounded Earth

 

[Bob Owens]

<_< -----With British Air in trouble financially, there will be more and more pressure on AA to get this "alliance" done! ------ Than maybe the AA employees can work without pay also! Just to show our solidarity with our "British" brothers and sisters! :down:

We already did, with the 2003 Concesions we work one year out of four for free. I'd rather have the BA deal anyday.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Never ceases to amaze me, the TWU always on managements side.

And pretending to have some kind of political influence.

TWU- The Best Workers in the World

I realize unions are not supposed to applaud every management decision, roll over, etc., but at the same time, what are the logical reasons for oppossing the AA-BA deal? I'm not an AA employee so I don't see any negatives - but seriously, why should the TWU oppose this deal? Maybe I'm looking at things superficially, but I think the AA-BA deal would be beneficial to all AA employees, in a similar manner to UA-LH or NW/DL - KL/AF.

(BTW: executives make too much $ or we've made concessions in 2003 and are opposed to every management decision until we get restore & more is not a logical reason IMHO.)

 

[Bob Owens]

I realize unions are not supposed to applaud every management decision, roll over, etc., but at the same time, what are the logical reasons for oppossing the AA-BA deal? I'm not an AA employee so I don't see any negatives - but seriously, why should the TWU oppose this deal? Maybe I'm looking at things superficially, but I think the AA-BA deal would be beneficial to all AA employees, in a similar manner to UA-LH or NW/DL - KL/AF.

I guess is that there would be concern that where these carriers both have overlapping operations and staffing that they may see reductions in staffing.

Maybe I'm looking at things superficially, but I think the AA-BA deal would be beneficial to all AA employees, in a similar manner to UA-LH or NW/DL - KL/AF.

What were the benifits to those workers?

 

[DFWFSC]

I guess is that there would be concern that where these carriers both have overlapping operations and staffing that they may see reductions in staffing.




What were the benifits to those workers?

Managemant has already said they have no interest in letting AA ground handle BA in the majority of the overlapping stations. Maybe in DFW or ORD' or the other hubs where headcount wouldn't be an issue. Stations like PHX'SEA'DEN and a few other smaller one's have been wanting to work BA for years and it's just too cost prohibitive. More ground epuipment and headcount. They should at least let AA do their turnaround MX at all US stations' I know they do it at DFW or they did at one time.

 

[enough already]

Hey, good timing. I just posted this on another AIP topic thread not too long ago:

" I'm relatively new to this site. I see there are quite a few "veteran" regulars. Does everyone spend their time here looking in the rear view mirror? "

Got my answer, thanks.

Earth...grounded Earth

Um, Earth to "onthedock"! If you don't check your rear view mirror, you can't make sure you're not rear ended. (A problem our union leAAdership has) :angry:

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

I guess is that there would be concern that where these carriers both have overlapping operations and staffing that they may see reductions in staffing.

Sounds reasonable, but the way I see it, AA jobs would be possibly lost at LHR (and MAD). Are those even TWU jobs? If not then why the altruism? BA flies to many more US destinations - so theoretically a gain of jobs for AA (unless the BA flights could be handled with the current headcount?). Also, keep in mind AA could gain work once the value of the US dollar drops due to inflation in the next couple of years.

What were the benifits to those workers?

Well for example, NW runs multiple daily DTW/MSP-AMS flights due to the KL code-share, which = jobs that would not be there. In a similar was the LH-UA codeshare across the Atlantic has meant UA jobs. I recall that AA employees in the 1990's threw a hissy fit when AA was codesharing with CP, and I think it worked out quite nicely for AA.

 

[Bob Owens]

Sounds reasonable, but the way I see it, AA jobs would be possibly lost at LHR (and MAD). Are those even TWU jobs? If not then why the altruism? BA flies to many more US destinations - so theoretically a gain of jobs for AA (unless the BA flights could be handled with the current headcount?). Also, keep in mind AA could gain work once the value of the US dollar drops due to inflation in the next couple of years.

BA also has employees here in the US, JFK is one place for example. Lets say AA has 4 JFK/LHR and BA has 4 JFK/LHR trips a day, with the codeshare they may decide to chop a trip off which could translate into job losses.

Well for example, NW runs multiple daily DTW/MSP-AMS flights due to the KL code-share, which = jobs that would not be there. In a similar was the LH-UA codeshare across the Atlantic has meant UA jobs. I recall that AA employees in the 1990's threw a hissy fit when AA was codesharing with CP, and I think it worked out quite nicely for AA.

Are you are saying that after the Codeshare NW hired more people in DTW? Or is that job creation theoretical as well?
Most theoretical jobs dont pay with real dollars.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

BA also has employees here in the US, JFK is one place for example. Lets say AA has 4 JFK/LHR and BA has 4 JFK/LHR trips a day, with the codeshare they may decide to chop a trip off which could translate into job losses.

Alternatively, with ATI/code-sharing across the Atlantic, they may increase the number of daily flights. And staffing as a result. (Or not increase employee number at all just expect the current folks to work more/harder, which I guess would suck).

Are you are saying that after the Codeshare NW hired more people in DTW? Or is that job creation theoretical as well?
Most theoretical jobs dont pay with real dollars.

I don't have access to the NW DTW employment numbers, unfortunately. However, after starting alliances, codesharing and ATI across the Atlantic with their EU counterparts, UA, NW/DL all increased the number of flights from the USA to their EU-partner hubs. Those flights are real, not theoretical and the jobs are real, not theoretical. You'll probably say that if they weren't flying to the EU the planes would be flying elsewhere. Maybe. But they could also have been parked/returned to lessors or not ordered in the first place.

To me the data suggests that ATI/codesharing across the Atlantic by UA and DL/NW with their EU counterparts has been nothing but an advantage. I can't see a negative - at least from the outside. Also, I would think that AA would have the upper hand in the USA - that is BA staff gets the shaft and AA handles more BA flights - whereas in the EU only AA staff at LHR may be at risk of losing their jobs. I'm assuming you were around when AA had codesharing with CP. Were there any job losses or any negative consequences for AA as a result of that arrangement?

 

[Hopeful]

What I could see them doing should this alliance be approved is having AA handle all BA flights in this country and having BA handle AA's flights in most overseas' markets. If that were to happen, you would see BA job losses in the US and AA job losses elsewhere.