TWU's Conley on leave following fuel comments

[Bob Owens]

Patriotism is defending your nation's ideals selflessly. To try and compare unionism to that is an utter insult to those whose blood was spilled defending the idea of America.

I don't see a lot of selflessness at play with airline unions in general. What I see is "what can we get for ourselves, and the rest of the employees be damned" over and over again.

Fact is that workers in the US have prospered far better under our oh-so-flawed system than workers have in places where workers of the world united.

Then again, maybe I've just missed news reports on how succesful the Soviet economy has been of late. Or how much social services in Venezuela and Cuba have surpassed those of the US, or how China's education system is so good now that universities here are suffering from the loss of applicants...

Yep. Capitalism might suck because you think you're not getting enough of the pie, but it's a helluva lot better than the alternatives out there. Go do some travel outside the first world and see firsthand just how good you have it. Don't spend a week on the beach in Mexico -- go spend a week in Hermosillo or Nuevo Loredo.

Y'all are so fracking spoiled.... you really have no idea what it means to "beat the working man and woman into the ground while they pad their own pockets" until you walk the neighborhoods in places like Guadalajara, Leon or Toluca. Gated communities for all the upper class, and dirt streets for the "working man and woman" because there is no middle class.

Yep, our system really sucks.


That's why so many people from Mexico, Honduras, Guatamala, etc. are willing to risk their lives walking thru the desert just for the chance to be beaten into the ground here.

Funny, I always had you pegged as a Randite, and they believe that theres no such thing as a "selfless act".

While I'm not claiming to have been all over the world I have been to a few places. Ireland, England, Wales, Canada, Turks and Caicos(sic?), Bermuda and China. Sure there are places that have crappy conditions. But I didnt see poverty in Ireland, England, Wales or Canada like Ive seen right here at home, China, where admittedly my travel was confined to the cities of Bejing and Shanghai were fairly clean and safe. I certainly didnt see anything in those cities like I see in American cities. A large number of those who come here from Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala do so for money, having people risk their lives for money is nothing new, and return to their countries on their own. Are you aware that emigration, out of the USA is a growing trend, especially for older people?

Do workers do better in the USA than those in third world countries? I'd guess yes. But is that really a good arguement to say that our system is the best? Nazi Germany and Fascist Spain probably had higher standards of living than most third world countries-does that mean Fascism is the way to go? Do we do have it better than those in Europe, Canada and other developed countries-No. "Go there" you may say. Why should I? I was born here and I'd have to be to them what the Mexicans and Hondurans are to you, besides I'm an American and as such I have the right, secured for me by my forefathers who served during WWI and Korea, to make things better (pursuit of happiness).

If Mexicans just had to cross a river to get to Europe they wouldnt be coming here.

The fact is that you resent what America supposedly stands for-open debate, equal rights, liberty, democracy and the pursuit of happiness. When we struggle for a fair share of the pie you call us ingrates. You seem to feel that this country stands for the rights of Capital, not people.

Unionists made this country the best place to be. However those unionists are long gone and the ones we have today like John Conley are traitors to their legacy. Conley fights against the interests of his members because he cant be held accountable by them. His salary and perks are more like the executives than the workers he claims to represent.

Conley must go.

 

[eolesen]

OH, and to your "crack" about NY/NE breakig away from the USA, ........The BIGGEST mistake Honest Abe Lincoln made was...........................RECONSRUCTION !! :down: :down:

Hmmm, on this we agree... But remember that most of the raw materials used by northern industry came from the South. One of the biggest fears in the Union was that if you don't have access to the resources, you're screwed. The South saw this, and succession meant they could freely impose tariffs and get a larger share of the pie (sound familar?...). Japan (also resource poor) came to the same conclusion in the late 30's when they invaded Manchuria.

Slavery may have received all of the attention in the history books up north, but a more balanced view shows that economics had as much if not a larger role in the war and reconstruction.

 

[Bob Owens]

Hmmm, on this we agree... But remember that most of the raw materials used by northern industry came from the South. One of the biggest fears in the Union was that if you don't have access to the resources, you're screwed. The South saw this, and succession meant they could freely impose tariffs and get a larger share of the pie (sound familar?...). Japan (also resource poor) came to the same conclusion in the late 30's when they invaded Manchuria.

Slavery may have received all of the attention in the history books up north, but a more balanced view shows that economics had as much if not a larger role in the war and reconstruction.

Wars always have an Economic motive. Causes are to get those who have nothing to gain from the war to fight and die.

 

[TWU-GOTTA-GO]

Nice to see that so many have signed the petition just in the first 24 hours, even a few twu local presidents

 

[FWflyer]

http://startelegram.typepad.com/sky_talk/2...-conley-on.html

 

[FWAAA]

And in a separate thread, it's revealed that Little has placed him on leave because of his comments.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Yeah, this looks like some serious union business going on while he is selling us out in our negotiations. I guess this is his stargazing with management shirt.

 

[BigMac]

To: All TWU Local Presidents
Re: John M. Conely-Air Transport Division Director

Dear Sisters and Brothers:

Effective Tuesday, April 1, 2008, I am placing Air Transport Director John M. Conely on administrative leave from his current position as Air Transport Division Director. Brother Conely will continue working on his other operational assignments.

Until further notice all administrative functions associated with the Air Transport Division will temporarily handled by International Secretary-Treasurer Joseph C. Gordon including staff assignments.

Fraternally,
James C. Little
International President

 

[Bob Owens]

To: All TWU Local Presidents
Re: John M. Conely-Air Transport Division Director

Dear Sisters and Brothers:

Effective Tuesday, April 1, 2008, I am placing Air Transport Director John M. Conely on administrative leave from his current position as Air Transport Division Director. Brother Conely will continue working on his other operational assignments.

Until further notice all administrative functions associated with the Air Transport Division will temporarily handled by International Secretary-Treasurer Joseph C. Gordon including staff assignments.

Fraternally,
James C. Little
International President

Going from bad to worse.

Gordon cant be trusted, after all the membership tried to do the worst thing they possibly could to a TWU official-send him back to the floor to work under the terms he said were good enough. The International bailed him out and picked him up after he was voted out of office. He has no loyalty to us.

 

[The Goose]

Going from bad to worse.

Gordon cant be trusted, after all the membership tried to do the worst thing they possibly could to a TWU official-send him back to the floor to work under the terms he said were good enough. The International bailed him out and picked him up after he was voted out of office. He has no loyalty to us.

Bob:

It would seem now that petition should have been against Chicken Little. Has anyone seen a set of balls for sale on FleaBay? Would they help Little out or would he know what to do with them?

Oh well - what should we expect from the TWU's appointee system (aka the Good Ol' Boy Club)?

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob:

It would seem now that petition should have been against Chicken Little. Has anyone seen a set of balls for sale on FleaBay? Would they help Little out or would he know what to do with them?

Oh well - what should we expect from the TWU's appointee system (aka the Good Ol' Boy Club)?

You start it, I'll sign it.

 

[eolesen]

What's even sadder in all this is that Little & the rest of you can't even spell his damn name right.

It's not Conely. It's Conley.

 

[TWU-GOTTA-GO]

What's even sadder in all this is that Little & the rest of you can't even spell his damn name right.

It's not Conely. It's Conley.

Not wait a minute, are you saying that Little can't spell? Could it be that his fake Bachelors and Masters Degrees are showing their true colors.

 

[American Air Surf]

I'm sure he'd gladly trade in the commute from SFO every week, but in the context of what the panel in PHX was discussing, John's answer was spot-on.

Perhaps the real problem you have is accepting a union official who recognizes economic reality for what it is?

Conley, is nothing more than a brain dead (X- Football player), who couldn't make it in Big leagues, becasue he got hit one to many times. He is also nothing more than a CC/FSC/SFO, with a loud, (foul) mouth. Who's mantra, to Fleet Service was "you don't have a license, like a mechanic", so take what you get. Who is calling the F**king Kettle Black here?, He is a FSC, dughhh.

Well, Yingst didn't last long at TWU/ATD, now Conley is gone. QuAAlity from the gound up, in Union Leadership. No wonder the TWU started another division (Casino's), Becasue they know the airlines, and their (due's) are going down, down, down.... just like the Titanic.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

What's even sadder in all this is that Little & the rest of you can't even spell his damn name right.

It's not Conely. It's Conley.

yea but the end result is the same misspelled or not

olsen
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