UAL M&R Representation

[ual747mech]

"It was the wrong strike at the wrong time and the wrong place," said Hy Berman, professor emeritus of history at the University of Minnesota, who has watched the Minnesota labor scene for 45 years. He said it was obvious the strike was unwinnable, even before it started.

Read it here numbnuts!!! Like I said it's over for AMFA!!!

Striking Mechanics Hold Little Leverage With NWA
http://wcco.com/strike/Northwest.Airlines.NWA.2.360916.html

 

[UAL_TECH]

You're the one who took it up the arse in the end...ha ha ha. You caved in in the end huh? That was a smart strike huh? Like I said, AMFA doesn't always make the right decision. AMFA knew NWA was preparing for a strike and planned for bankruptcy but they went ahead and struck anyway. This is the end for AMFA, mark my word.

Another 'eloquent' teamster style retort.

Should have thrown in a few 'neener neener neener' comments as well.

AMFA would have succeeded if not for ignorant children like you!

Sheepole!

You 'Clowns' deserve what you get!

B) UT

 

[lineguy43]

You're the one who took it up the arse in the end...ha ha ha. You caved in in the end huh? That was a smart strike huh? Like I said, AMFA doesn't always make the right decision. AMFA knew NWA was preparing for a strike and planned for bankruptcy but they went ahead and struck anyway. This is the end for AMFA, mark my word.

Let me fill you in a few facts you idiot..The only mistake AMFA really made was not forcing nwa to lock us out which they would have done. Technically it was ruled a lockout by a MN court too late of course. In the end AMFA agreed to ALL nwa demands and then nw changed radically changed it because they had spent a yr and a half and over a million dollars on replacements don't think for a minute they were not going to use them. But by not forcing nwa to lock us out prevented most members from collecting unemployment which forced a few but not most weak individuals to cross. And if think a 53 percent cut in your membership and a 25 percent paycut for the remainder (and amfa agreed to this in the end) is a reason to walk your are dumber than your posts.

 

[ual747mech]

I see you're all smarter than the professor Here's what he said again:

"It was the wrong strike at the wrong time and the wrong place," said Hy Berman, professor emeritus of history at the University of Minnesota, who has watched the Minnesota labor scene for 45 years. He said it was obvious the strike was unwinnable, even before it started.

Oh well, AMFA's too dumb to make the right decision. Voting in AMFA was the wrong move after all at Alaska, NWA and United. A lot of jobs are gone at those airlines because of AMFA.

This is the reason why AMFA started losing a lot of jobs at NWA:

AMFA gave management a green light to subcontract up to 38% of the Northwest mechanic work hours to repair stations, including non-union and foreign stations. AMFA's job protection loophole increased the amount of permissible subcontracting by almost 150%! That huge loophole has allowed Northwest to shut down its Atlanta repair base and eliminate over 1,000 mechanic jobs.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

The membership was ill advised by the AMFA reps at NWA. That strike was something that shouldn't have happened to begin with. Oh well, damn if you do and damn if you don't kind of deal but AMFA should've warned the membership about the consequences of striking a bankrupt airline. Look at how many members crossed the picket line in the end because they realized they couldn't win that stupid strike. From what I saw with AMFA, they don't always make the right decision. At UAL, they let outsourcing the heavy maintenance to China as a bargaining chip when we were negotiating for our share to get the company get out of bankruptcy.

I don't know how the Reamsters are gonna do but they're are just one card away from getting voted out because that seems to be the trend for the mechanics and related at Ual, lol.

ual747mech,

How do you blame AMFA for a t/a that nwa puts out that in essence removes half of the AMTs on the property if voted in? How do you blame AMFA for standing up against next to impossible odds? You do not write in any of your posts that AMFA INHERITED the % of farmed out work. You do not mention in your posts that it was the PREVIOUS union that allowed this work out the dorr to begin with.

The members that crossed the picket line in the end are SCABS and always will be SCABS. Those members had nwa on the defensive. How? Because nwa would not last much longer with the original SCAB maintenance. Face it, the SCABS ruined their own careers at nwa NOT AMFA.

Where is your proof that AMFA used the outsourcing as a "bargaining chip" to get out of bk? We aren't talking twu here. Like I said before, I wish UAL AMTs the best because they will need it.

 

[ual747mech]

ual747mech,

How do you blame AMFA for a t/a that nwa puts out that in essence removes half of the AMTs on the property if voted in? How do you blame AMFA for standing up against next to impossible odds? You do not write in any of your posts that AMFA INHERITED the % of farmed out work. You do not mention in your posts that it was the PREVIOUS union that allowed this work out the dorr to begin with.

The members that crossed the picket line in the end are SCABS and always will be SCABS. Those members had nwa on the defensive. How? Because nwa would not last much longer with the original SCAB maintenance. Face it, the SCABS ruined their own careers at nwa NOT AMFA.

Where is your proof that AMFA used the outsourcing as a "bargaining chip" to get out of bk? We aren't talking twu here. Like I said before, I wish UAL AMTs the best because they will need it.

Ken, do you work for American? Good thing you guys didn't get AMFA in because it 's an experiment that was a failure at Alaska, NWA and Ual. The 38% at NWA was negotiated by AMFA at Northwest in lieu of bigger hourly pay. That seems to be the case with an AMFA negotiated contract or concession. Keep as much money as possible in lieu of job security.

I don't mean to bad mouth AMFA but it's time for them to go, the experiment is over. We will try the Reamster for now and if that experiment doesn't work then they will have to go. I'm done, peace out.

 

[FWAAA]

Everyone's got excuses for why their favorite union didn't deliver or why their favorite union rolled over.

It wasn't our fault!

Doesn't matter if your favorite union is the IAM, the IBT, the TWU or AMFA. None of them have been able to stem the tide of concessions at money-losing legacy airlines. And all of them have lists of excuses for why they couldn't resist management's concession demands.

AMFA at WN has been able to negotiate nominal raises on top of the IBT-negotiated contract they inherited. Compared to the situation at NW or UA, their experience at WN is a resounding success.

The CO ramp gave up concessions of 10% (according to Little at the TWU), just about the smallest concession percentage in the legacy industry, and they managed that without representation. Little claimed their concessions would have been smaller if the TWU had repsresented them. Last I heard, some CO rampers were still rolling on the floor laughing at Little's idiocy! 😀

On top of that, their recent profit sharing checks dwarfed those at some represented legacies - again, without paying two hours pay per month to their overlords.

 

[ICEMAN]

ual747mech,

How do you blame AMFA for a t/a that nwa puts out that in essence removes half of the AMTs on the property if voted in? How do you blame AMFA for standing up against next to impossible odds? You do not write in any of your posts that AMFA INHERITED the % of farmed out work. You do not mention in your posts that it was the PREVIOUS union that allowed this work out the dorr to begin with.

The members that crossed the picket line in the end are SCABS and always will be SCABS. Those members had nwa on the defensive. How? Because nwa would not last much longer with the original SCAB maintenance. Face it, the SCABS ruined their own careers at nwa NOT AMFA.

Where is your proof that AMFA used the outsourcing as a "bargaining chip" to get out of bk? We aren't talking twu here. Like I said before, I wish UAL AMTs the best because they will need it.

Yes, none of it’s AMFA’s fault – its all those terrible industrial unions. Well, in between the time AMFA negotiated its first contract with NWA and the 2005 strike NWA reduced its mechanic and related population from 10,000 to less than 4,000 active while its fleet was reduced by 15%. Even though there were thousands on layoff the Company was still allowed to outsource more than half of its heavy checks. And this was all predictable—in front of the PEB AMFA stated that the outsourcing cap it negotiated was a concession that would allow NWA to outsource well above historic levels. By the time the strike came around the Company had less than 1500 AMTs to replace and, of course, the related groups were gone right off the bat. As for UAL, I recall Delle Femine telling us that the way to deal with the threat of bankruptcy was to force the Company to declare bankruptcy and prove its case to the judge. But, when the moment of truth came, AMFA agreed to every major demand made by UAL including termination of the pension and sent out a letter stating we had “a gun to our head.â€



AMFA had no choice at NWA? Then why did AMFA agree to NWA’s request for a release? The problem is AMFA’s theory does not work. For years we have been told that we were being dragged down by less skilled workers, that the support of other unions was irrelevant, that it didn’t mean anything to be part of the AFL-CIO, and that no carrier could withstand a strike from us. So when AMFA asked for help from the less skilled and the rest of the labor movement who they had insulted over the years, not many were interested. The fact is we do need the support of other working people and we will not get it as part of AMFA. As for the evil industrial unions, all I know is that the only union that sent my brother at NWA a check to help pay his bills was the UAW—the ultimate in industrial unions.

 

[UAL_TECH]

It is democracy at work. I always said that AMFA gave too much credit to the cognitive abilities of the membership. The membership voted and will have to live with their decision.

Toooooo Badddddd – Sooooo Sadddd… 😛

Me a sore loser, not hardly.

If you want to see what sore losers look like, just look at the Committee for Change. These ex-IAM now pro-IBT ‘supporters’ have never tried to make AMFA work. Never attended meetings (until recently and only to blast AMFA). Mainly instigated and voted on recalls. Did not even try to run for office. They derided and undermined AMFA at every step, regardless of the impact to the ‘membership’ that they claim to protect. :down:

Now they are your ‘leaders’ once again.

Don’t you see the irony in that?

The only difference will be these ex-AMFA leaders will attend meetings and be involved and the rest of the membership will ‘chitter-chatter’ amongst themselves.

If it were not for the dedicated AMFA leaders getting the boot, I would find this quite comical.

When the IAM was on the property, I supported them. When AMFA came on the property, I supported them.
What do you think I would do different with the IBT? 🙄

My advice to you is to download and save the links I provided because it may very well be the last you ever hear from the IBT after a month or two.

I grabbed one link from PlaneDoctor as he is an IBT for CAL and their information has not been updated since “December 26, 2002â€.

Get used to it, that’s your future!

Take Care,
B) UT

Regardless of this banter, FWAAA is more correct than not.
B) UT

 

[pw2037]

As a ex-amfa at nwa and ata I will be the first to say amfa sucks. It is a pipe dream thqt some old man dell had yea it was a good idea back in the day aa/ oza/ psa but not now. What about Alaska 400 guys out in oakland gone just bye and. And a NWA I rember when AMFA was selling the big contract in 2001 I asked dell about the 38% farm out and he said"the company will never go that high with farm outs" and the old men said"rookie". Then when nwa laid me off I went to the union hall what a joke I said what about strike fund and I was told we dont have one. Then the old men told me take it easy as they worked over time. Amfa is a shity union 2 jobs lost because they can't do any thing so bottom line amfa is a pipe dream thanks for the 2 lost jobs shitty credit and 1 sold house. I am at new job and they want a union and I told them no amfa

 

[tech2101]

As a ex-amfa at nwa and ata I will be the first to say amfa sucks. It is a pipe dream thqt some old man dell had yea it was a good idea back in the day aa/ oza/ psa but not now. What about Alaska 400 guys out in oakland gone just bye and. And a NWA I rember when AMFA was selling the big contract in 2001 I asked dell about the 38% farm out and he said"the company will never go that high with farm outs" and the old men said"rookie". Then when nwa laid me off I went to the union hall what a joke I said what about strike fund and I was told we dont have one. Then the old men told me take it easy as they worked over time. Amfa is a shity union 2 jobs lost because they can't do any thing so bottom line amfa is a pipe dream thanks for the 2 lost jobs shitty credit and 1 sold house. I am at new job and they want a union and I told them no amfa

Where did you get your A&P license from?

 

[aapitbull]

To be sure there were mistakes made but it is clear the 10 day rule is in full effect here In have only 2 topics to remind you of Sept 11, 2001 & Force Majure 38% did not get Atlanta closed Force Majure did. The penison are gone because of bankruptcy and the bankruptcy was caused by 11th of Sept the migthty ALPA &AFA lost their's too

Since Sept 11, 2001 no one Pilot, F/A,Ramper or Mechanic has done well except at WN Funny that Amfa did well their too!

WE SHALL SEE HOW SUPERIOR THE TEAMSTERS ARE!!!!

 

[700UW]

AMFA inherited the former IBT CBA and just extended it, never negotiatied a new CBA nor have they brought work back in-house.

 

[pw2037]

Why are amfa people scrambling for answers all the time ok I lost my job and my home did dell take a pay cut no is dell working for less no. AMFA sucks if it so good why did it get voted out of ual? put a spin on that fool. I think it's great that all the high time nwa guys are below me now at my new job I'll be in the break room while you take care of the tires and brakes.

 

[aapitbull]

Why are amfa people scrambling for answers all the time ok I lost my job and my home did dell take a pay cut no is dell working for less no. AMFA sucks if it so good why did it get voted out of ual? put a spin on that fool. I think it's great that all the high time nwa guys are below me now at my new job I'll be in the break room while you take care of the tires and brakes.

No spin from me just facts after the peb and the large raise I'm sure you were singing a differrent song then the 3 force majures alot of people lost their jobs then the bankruptcy and alot of more prople lost their jobs including alot not represented by AMFA. Now I am not defending AMFA but the facts are the facts I work for AA we have thousands laid off as far as Dell is concerned he retired Dec 31st 2007 so I would say he has taken a large pay cut.

As far as UAL goes the membership always has the right to change under AMFA well see if they decide to remove the teamsters if they have such a easy time of it. Amfa certainly has their share of the blame to take but that is a very large pie!!!

Also who is to blame for all the jobs lost at Delta,Us Air, Aloha, AA, Co? And I asure you none of there leaders have taken paycuts!