Union Reps And Professionalism

[DCAflyer]

Bah, I can't figure out how to do the quote without the entire post being quoted *sigh* such a n00b I am.

Anyway, I find this part of the letter to Bobbi inaccurate and it annoys me:

"The failure to respond to ANY of the Flight Attendants who have shown an interest in volunteering to help on various committees despite your request and form you presented at base orientations."

This man never spoke to me about this as I volunteered to help and received several responces from Bobbi. In the end I decided not to continue. To say she failed to respond to any F/As is not true. I am somebody gosh dang it and if she responded to me then I am sure she must have responded to others.

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Well that statement from Isaac might not be entirely accurate, but neither is Bobbi's statement that she has returned every call and e-mail. I know this is untrue because she has failed to respond to me.

Also untrue is her statement that Isaac has been on MAA property for only four weeks. He went to recurrent/requal in Mid-June.

But you soon will have an opportunity to vote her out or keep her and you must vote your conscience. If you believe it is acceptable that we have no written contract after a year and a half, vote to keep her. If you believe she always acts professionally, vote to keep her. If you feel that this is not a critical time in your MAA career and you can accept statements from your MAA that our arguments have no merit, then vote to keep her.

But I suspect that the outcome will be a big, resounding thumbs down to Bobbi Riggle.

 

[PITbull]

I have witnessed Bobb's tenacity, brillance, articulation in conveying what she demands for her group.

Dealing with Senior management in a Bankrupt environment, specifically when the company is looking to liquidate MAA for equity is very difficult.

You at MAA should be giving her all the support you can at this time. Instead of casting divisive, damaging information towards your union rep.

The MAA f/as need solidarity and they need to rally around the union, otherwise, management will crush you silly.

I must shake may head in amazement and disappointment.

Most of you in the Rank have absolutely NO idea who or what you are dealing with in the senior management ranks.

They are looking for cash. And if they need to sell the toilet water in the a/c, they will.

Rally around your union officials is my sincere advice.
Concession 4 is around the corner with AWA management. The Company thrives on division and watches it closely and opportunistically.

The company watches these baords like a HAWK.

The investors have your fate and your livilihood in their hands, and they dictate.

Stand together, united; or separately, you shall surely fall.

 

[Zarah]

"Well that statement from Isaac might not be entirely accurate"

No it is not and yet he deems himself worthy to toss his hat into the ring for her position, or so he says. After spending less than 5 minutes with him and then reading his e-mail he is not the person I want representing me. If Bobbi is recalled, I would hope that there is somebody other than this man interested in the position. There was an election and Bobbi was voted in and apparently people feel this was a mistake/bad choice - whatever, so I would hope that people will not be swayed to just elect anybody in. Is there anybody else interested in running if the recall is successful?

I fail to see the big deal about her going to or not going to recurrent she does not fly. *shrug* Is there some kind of requirement that she complete recurrent even though she is not expected to fly, am I missing something?

Anyway, I am not debating the Bobbi recall issue at all. Online I have heard one F/A complain about these issues and I was asked to sign the petition. Other than that the only things I hear are on this message board. I am not implying they are true or not true. I really would have no idea as Bobbi has always gone above and beyond for me. Sorry.

 

[DCAflyer]

Anyway, I am not debating the Bobbi recall issue at all. Online I have heard one F/A complain about these issues and I was asked to sign the petition. Other than that the only things I hear are on this message board. I am not implying they are true or not true. I really would have no idea as Bobbi has always gone above and beyond for me. Sorry.

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Well then, you must be based in PIT.

 

[Zarah]

No. I am not based in PIT.

 

[xoxo]

So, Pitbull, if managment is watching us like a HAWK..then they know we did not come back for the money and we want our longevity...no,no...WE DESERVE OUR LONGEVITY!!!! YOU KNOW IT....AND SO DO THEY....We have worked our damb A@#'s off at this division and been through it all...why should we be called the "TOILET WATER". That was a very mean thing to say. We at this division know that at the beginning you said "I do not have time for MAA..I am busy with mainline" (maybe not in those exact words..but it was said..) So, then you threw us Bobbi........Thanks... :huh:

 

[MAAFlightguy]

Hi Everyone! My name is Isaac Kozielek. I am on of the "people" who has been circulating the petition to recall Bobbi Riggle as MEC Pres Local Council 4. I do not think that I have been represented very accurately with regard to this posting. Rather than hiding my identity I would like to make it known and allow anyone who wishes to contact me to be able to do so. In my initial letter to Bobbi I stated that I did not want this to be a personal attack. Apparently she does not feel the same way. In my letter to her I detailed why I did not feel that she was an effective President. One of those reasons failure to respond to other F/A's who have volunteered to assist on the council. This statement was made after speaking to 50 plus MAA F/A's who have stated that they had agreed in the past via a form that was provided at "Base orientation" to volunteer on various committees. They ALL stated that they have NEVER been contacted regarding their interest in serving.

Zarah, to you personally I offer an apology. I was not aware that you had in fact agreed to volunteer and were contacted. I made the statement as a generalization based on the people with whom I spoke. I am very glad that you have had a positive experience regarding Bobbi. Unfortunately there are not many others based on my all be it brief conversations with our colleagues.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and allowing me the opportunity to clarify any misunderstanding.

Respectfully,
Isaac Kozielek
flightguy@gmail.com
(803) 422.3331

"Well that statement from Isaac might not be entirely accurate"

No it is not and yet he deems himself worthy to toss his hat into the ring for her position, or so he says. After spending less than 5 minutes with him and then reading his e-mail he is not the person I want representing me. If Bobbi is recalled, I would hope that there is somebody other than this man interested in the position. There was an election and Bobbi was voted in and apparently people feel this was a mistake/bad choice - whatever, so I would hope that people will not be swayed to just elect anybody in. Is there anybody else interested in running if the recall is successful?

I fail to see the big deal about her going to or not going to recurrent she does not fly. *shrug* Is there some kind of requirement that she complete recurrent even though she is not expected to fly, am I missing something?

Anyway, I am not debating the Bobbi recall issue at all. Online I have heard one F/A complain about these issues and I was asked to sign the petition. Other than that the only things I hear are on this message board. I am not implying they are true or not true. I really would have no idea as Bobbi has always gone above and beyond for me. Sorry.

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[MAAFlightguy]

In response to this I would like for everyone to understand that I have not yet made up my mind as to whether or not I would be willing to take on this responsibility. Please understand that when Bobbi is re-called it is my understanding (from another F/A) that her V.P and Secretary will tender their resignations as well. This would leave all three of the MEC positions open for ANYONE who is interested to run.

"Well that statement from Isaac might not be entirely accurate"

No it is not and yet he deems himself worthy to toss his hat into the ring for her position, or so he says. After spending less than 5 minutes with him and then reading his e-mail he is not the person I want representing me. If Bobbi is recalled, I would hope that there is somebody other than this man interested in the position.

 

[PowerUpPowerDown]

Bobbi is in the process of being thown out of office, not only by her peers but as well by AFA as well. She has broken confidentiality rules unbelievably! I can't wait to see her thrown out like a lazy bum that she is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She is NOT to be TRUSTED with any information, I tell you that, she breaks all ethical laws, and she WILL be THROWN out very soon,,,,,,GOD, i cant wait.........

 

[PITbull]

So, Pitbull, if managment is watching us like a HAWK..then they know we did not come back for the money  and we want our longevity...no,no...WE DESERVE OUR LONGEVITY!!!! YOU KNOW IT....AND SO DO THEY....We have worked our damb A@#'s off at this division and been through it all...why should we be called the "TOILET WATER". That was a very mean thing to say. We at this division know that at the beginning you said "I do not have time for MAA..I am busy with mainline" (maybe not in those exact words..but it was said..) So, then you threw us Bobbi........Thanks... :huh:

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xo,

I don't know where you get this stuff? I don't know if you can read, but I was making a statement that the co. will attempt to sell anything they can that they can get money for. I take exception to you attempting to make assumptions and put words in my mouth.

Bobbi won an election? Did you step up to the plate to run for office?

 

[xoxo]

Bobbi won an election? Did you step up to the plate to run for office?

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I do not want to run for anything that has to do with the union for this division. I will vote against Bobbi though. As far as what you said..."you dont have time for us..you already have alot on your plate"..it was said..you may not remember saying it, but, we do. It was in the spring of 04 after the emb-division started. When we all kept calling you and asking you questions. We all could not beleive that you just pushed us off the way you did. Then we got stuck with Bobbi. There was a meeting in some hotel in Pit that nobody knew about. There was alot of us who were not heard back then and still are not now. I never said I even wanted to run for anything. I am just gonna stop now..cause it is just like talking to a deaf person that has their back at ya. That is why we are are sick of it. :down:

 

[Zarah]

My advice is to say what you mean and mean what you say. Speaking to x amount of people does NOT make it 100% as you indicated. Trying to use information stated as 100% fact when it is actually only based on a small sampling of F/A feedback to recall Bobbi is wrong.

Every F/A has a right to their voice and if they do not like the union representation they have the right to take back control of their union. I do not dispute this. Just because I have had only positive feedback from Bobbi does not mean that everybody has. If that were the case then this discussion would not be going on. I understand this. I do not have to like it and I do not have to agree with it. But I do expect those people behind this movement to be 100% accurate in their statements.

If as you say the other union officers will resign if Bobbi is recalled we will be left with a 100% inexperienced union representation at a critical time at MAA. The union reps have built up relationships with the powers that be and now you are telling me when need expereinced people most it is the right time to make a change?

We have a small fleet of planes and a low number of F/As to pull from for these positions. This is NOT mainline where you have thousands of people to draw from. We also have a large number of F/As who were only on mainline property for a short period of time. Making a change over now is serious business and we need experienced people with solid backgrounds or proven records in negociation. Now is not the time to have people get their feet wet in union business.

My bottom line opinion is that now is not the time to make a change.

 

[SegmentKing]

and what's wrong with new faces at the MDA AFA?

New faces who aren't prone to the 'ways of old' are exactly why America West has succeeded and other legacies have failed. HP brought in new airline guys, younger executives, hell look at Parker! And they made money.

Yet at US, they keep bringing in ultra conservative (business mind you) executives.

I think if there were new faces at MDA's union leadership that this deal would have been front page news of USA Today, Chicago Tribune, etc. Instead you will barely read a very small column in the New York Times or Wall Street Journal over what's brewing.

 

[xoxo]

Have you ever tried to deal with the gang at CCY? Try it sometime BEFORE you critisize Teddy, Bobbie, Mike Flores, Laura Albert or Perry Hayes.

I have and it is like going to the dentist twice in the same week and we had little to gain or lose relitively speaking compared to the above folks who have the interests of several hundred to several thousand people they represent at risk.

It is always VERY easy to be critical when you don't have to actually do it yourself. Why not step into "The Arena"? I guarantee you will be far less critical of those who represent you.

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Piney,
For one I never EVER mentioned Mike Flores...DONT KNOW HIM..I never mentioned Laura Albert..never met her..but she did help myself and a friend of mine at mainline when she was the phl LEC long ago..I do not know nor ever met Perry Hayes.I only said the things about Teddy and Bobbi because it all did happen and it is true. Like Zara said..some of us have had negitive exeriences with these people. When the division started we were all stressed out to the gills. It does not matter weather you been here 1 day or 1 year..we are all in the same
boat and deal with same crap everyday. I never said that Teddy was not doing a great job for the mainline employees. I commend her for that...WOULD YOU PLEASE, PINEY, FOR GODS SAKE GET IT IN YOUR HEAD THAT THE EMPLOYEES AT THIS EMB-DIVISION ARE LOOKED AT AS THE REDHEADED STEP CHILD. YOU HAVE NO CLUE UNTIL YOU STEP INTO OUR SHOES AND THEN GO FLY .
There have been times where I have said hello to mainline crews and they wont even acknowledge us. They look at our ID's and see that MidAtlantic crap on it and just stop speaking to us. It has happened to myself and MANY others.PILOTS TOO!

 

[DCAflyer]

My advice is to say what you mean and mean what you say. Speaking to x amount of people does NOT make it 100% as you indicated. Trying to use information stated as 100% fact when it is actually only based on a small sampling of F/A feedback to recall Bobbi is wrong.

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ForGawdSake... he apologized and corrected himself. Pull the corncob out of your butt and lighten up!