United Mechanics Contract

[swamt]

Pretty sure the gag order was asked by the co. and the typical teamsters easily agreed to it as it benefited them to as we are finding out now, hence, the "no chest pounding" by the union.  I think this was a very good move by the cmte to vote not to allow it to go to the membership at this time.  
Does anyone know if this means back to the table? Or just some answers need to be givin and the union comfortable with the changes?

 

[D7571987]

Both parties to meet with NMB in washington Sep 26-28 to ( Finalize all open issues )
 
Theres a union update with some numbers on the Denver local site but it has some big problems that should prevent it from being a TA.
 
I cant imagine that our Nego committee would TA it.
 
I dont even know how it was called an AIP unless it was forced by the Feds and or the Airline division chief agreed to it without consulting the Nego committee???  I dont know. 
 
The 2 deal breakers I see is the bonus $20k is half of what I think a minimum number would be, 2nd thing is the profit sharing reduced to 1/3. 
 
Just the profit share change would be like giving $5 an hour right back to them. 

 

[Birdman]

Update 
http://02cc047.netsolhost.com/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/UALMechanics092016.pdf
I can't imagine this getting to the membership either.

 

[swamt]

I can't believe this will get T/A'd.  An AIP is agreed to by both parties and released by the mediator(s).  I agree with D on his mentioned issues, as well as the stated raises in the following years after DOS. A 1.5%, and 1.0% increases?  Cmon, UAL/ibt, the average norm is 3%, and in these times of record profits should be more. When your base is around 40-42, then your yearly increases will only be .40-.42 per hour. That's pathetic.   
D, those rumors that you guys would end up in the 50's I guess were just rumors. My math puts you guys at 49.57 all in at end of contract and this is line and longevity included, not hangar mechs ect...  Only UAL mechs will know what their bonus should equal % wise. As ours will have to equal the same amount "full retro" for the 4 plus years of waiting for a contract---just like the Pilots got from the company.  Also I again agree with you on the PS getting hacked by 33%.  Here are the numbers I was using, am I missing something?  I hope your NC or at least the international votes not to bring this to the members...
 
"Six year duration, with minimum increases in basic hourly pay rates of: 1.5% at DOS + 12 1.0% at DOS + 24 1.0% at DOS + 36 1.0% at DOS + 48 1.0% at DOS + 60"

 

[D7571987]

PS getting hacked by 66% , and negative retirement changes for the continental guys.
The stuff that was released is being called agreed to and non contestable so looks like the feds are going to force this as a TA just like the last time and we get to vote it down and waste months and months again. 

 

[swamt]

PS reduction by 2/3rds not 1/3rd. My bad I misread that the first time.  Just reading the highlights provided I hope you guys remain united and vote this down by a large majority. I did read where there is a 2 year wage adjustment to remain within the averages and this will be good for when AA gets their wages done as well as us and others.  No wonder the ibt wasn't chest pounding on this offer.

 

[D7571987]

The wage reset is full of holes and fine print and based on previous company actions they would arbitrate any use of it and we would never actually get an industry reset. 

 

[swamt]

Just to point out,  where is the "industry leading" contract that the ibt promised and promised the membership? If they (ibt) allow this to come to a vote or at least if they are forced to bring it out and they endorse it, and not recommend a "no" vote, then I would predict the removal of the ibt/teamsters from UAL after this contract is done or sooner. Good luck D. What are the troops saying about this current offer?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

The membership is on fire over this, its got a resounding NO sentiment around the system. To make matters worse alot of the teamster mouth pieces are blaming the membership for not supporting the union, ..... its not like we've been in negotiations for going on 4 years .... oh wait we have!   I think if the ibt lets this become a TA, then whether its voted in or not, they're gone.

 

[swamt]

Wow THS. Sounds like the very same BS we use to hear from the teamsters. Blame it all on the membership.  Although I am an outsider, I would vote NO just from the info I have on your contract offer, just sayin...

 

[conehead777]

The membership is on fire over this, its got a resounding NO sentiment around the system. To make matters worse alot of the teamster mouth pieces are blaming the membership for not supporting the union, ..... its not like we've been in negotiations for going on 4 years .... oh wait we have!   I think if the ibt lets this become a TA, then whether its voted in or not, they're gone.

 
if the union wants member support its time they start listening to the members of what we want in a contract, and we don't want what they think is best for us.we know whats best for us its our lively hood and thats what union needs to do. we pay for them with dues. so they need to listen to due paying members

 

[swamt]

The wage reset is full of holes and fine print and based on previous company actions they would arbitrate any use of it and we would never actually get an industry reset. 

 
 

The membership is on fire over this, its got a resounding NO sentiment around the system. To make matters worse alot of the teamster mouth pieces are blaming the membership for not supporting the union, ..... its not like we've been in negotiations for going on 4 years .... oh wait we have!   I think if the ibt lets this become a TA, then whether its voted in or not, they're gone.

Can either one of you please give us more info on why the membership is looking at a no vote on this offer?  We have some folks at SWA that think the offer being presented to you guys is the new bar to be reached. Could you please explain if the bonus offer was in line with what retro would be?  Is the initial raise actually 5.8% above both Delta and AA? Or is this at the end of your contract outer years?  The 2% above anyone else is based on what? And will this industry adjustment ever be able to be applied? 
Can TSH please explain the resounding no's around the system? And why a resounding no. What items were pushing the no button. Any explanation would help and thanks in advance for your help trying to explain your reasons for why the membership would not vote this offer in...

 

[D7571987]

One thing we dont like is them changing our profit share to half of the current Pilot and Flight attendant plan amounts. Why should maintenance get a lower rate? 
 
Previous profit share basis for maint was 15% of profit and last year we got actual 13% of gross wages profit share check,  they want to change that to 5%  of profit and then after 6.9 % profit margin our rate would change to 10% of profit.  This would cut our $ by 1/2 or 2/3. 
 
Instead of saying retro they are saying $181 million lump sum - average $20.5k each and I think most feel the retro amount would actually be 2-3 times that amount. 
 
Reduction of Continental mechanics pension, stops rising at 30 yrs,  dont know all the details.
 
6 Year duration.  
 
$47.31 rate Line dayshift  then ...
 
+ 1 year   1.5% 
2yr,         1% 
3yr          1%
4 yr          1%
5 yr          1%

 

[D7571987]

So for the CO guys the main issues are the profit share reduction ,  not enough retro, pension reduction. 
 
The UA side guys are gonna have the same issues plus having to pay for their medical insurance which they are not used to. The comp is adding a $1.20 per hour up to 2080 hr yr  VEBA  toward Insur costs to defray some cost but eventually yearly premium increases will cancel it out. 
 
The UA guys are being put into the Continental retirement plan CARP. 

 

[D7571987]

The companys industry reset letter of agreement -  instead of saying wage is going to say total compensation, so they can spin total compensation a million different ways and deny everything and based on past letters of agreement which they always arbitrate any claims made we can be sure it is a complete worthless lie.