US Airways Flight Attendants Have Reached 3rd Tentative Agreement

[usfliboi]

Early out? Is it really that good a deal, or are you making it easier for the company to screw the new hires? Be careful with early retirements because the company and Uncle Sam are the ones who profit.

just sayin'

The sky is falling

 

[signals]

No it's not. If I understand correctly.

Early outs are great if you are near to your full retirement age. Otherwise you may give up thousands to both Uncle Same and your employer. An exception is if you are in poor health, then see ya! Did you know that if you work until the age of 70 your SS doubles from what you get at say 62?

Any way you look at it, the company doesn't have your interests in mind, and once you retire, I doubt you will find a more fulfilling job! 😛

 

[signals]

Wheres Ms PITBULL and her stand your ground speech? LOL I think thias whole thing is simply hilarious if i hadnt lost money for the last year because of igonorance...

You lost money because of ignorance? Stand in line and cue the violins 😛 😛 😛

Unions have gotten dumber because of the ignorant membership. See they are lowering their standards which explains YOU! 😛

Years ago my contract gave me a $1000 sign-up bonus and we had a sector that turned it down for no other than to prove that they have the numbers to make or break us. The employer came back with the same contract and a $300 sign-up bonus, and these sons of nepotism voted it in!

get it 😛

 

[FWAAA]

No it's not. If I understand correctly.

Early outs are great if you are near to your full retirement age. Otherwise you may give up thousands to both Uncle Same and your employer. An exception is if you are in poor health, then see ya! Did you know that if you work until the age of 70 your SS doubles from what you get at say 62?

True, and the math shows that you have to live to be very old to recover the eight years of checks you didn't get by waiting until you're 70. Delaying the start of your Social Security checks is a fool's game that benefits the rest of society (since you're likely to get less Social Security overall due to death at 71 or 75 or before you hit the crossover point).

 

[nycbusdriver]

Close only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes.

Nuclear weapons?

 

[BungeeJumper]

Full text of the Tentative Agreement has been posted at:
http://ourafa.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/USA_TA_2013.pdf

 

[USA320Pilot]

I'm glad to see US Airways and the AFA reach an agreement with the assistance of the NMB.

In my opinion, the new deal is no only important for a standalone company, but places US Airways' F/As on a more equal footing with APFA's F/As and guaranttes AFA a seat at the MOU/JCBA table. And, the MOU provides an opportunity for further economic rank-and-file benefits is fist bite of the apple towards the JCBA.

Furthermore, the East pilots and F"as are splitting and will not be co-paired if the pilot's ratify their MOU because Pref Bid will be implemented in the first quarter of January 2014, not to mention after FAR 117 is implemented this fall F/As will suffer because they will still be co-paired with the pilots and according to Chip Mayer will not be able to fly "on duty, all nighters, be able to back-to-back transatlantic trips, will be required to fly more multi-day trips, and will need 1.5 days on the road more per month to get full pay,

I believe vote "no" to the TA risks include:

1. No pay raise or other economic benefits.

2. No bonus payment if the proposed merger proceeds.

3. APFA becoming the F/As union and deciding the joint contract.

4. The MOU puts US Airways' AFA F/As on an equal playing field with APFA at the time of the merger PID, which is important to subsequent seniority integration because of the importance economics pay when determining career expectation in a M_B SLI arbitration if APFA does not agree to a DOH SLI. How will US Airways' F/As career expectation be viewed by the Board of Arbitration with APFAs F/As paid MOU rates with overrides and East & West F/As paid about $41 and $37 per our hour, respectively? Could a no vote on TA III cause a bad relative position SLI with APFA's F/As if the proposed merger proceeds?

5. By being at the MOU table and agreeing to a MOU with APFA this will prevent the successor Company from leveraging one group against the other.

I believe the merger is likely to happen and APFAs MOU requires the union to file for single carrier CBA certification with the NMB within four months of the "effective" date. In my opinion, APFA is likely to be appointed the new company's F/A union and once they do they will negotiate US Airways' F/As next contract's Pay, Benefits, Work Rules, Scope, Retirement, and Health & Welfare. Therefore, I believe "voting no" only delays the inevitable of APFA deciding US Airways' F/As MOU/MTA/JCBA, US Airways' F/As and their families suffering longer on bankruptcy era contracts, the continued time loss of money & no economic gain, and a serious SLI risk that could be worse than the the view of how the Nicolau Award effected USAPA's pilots based east of the Mississippi River.

USA320Pilot

 

[Phoenix]

I'm glad ...

Its none of my business but Isn't this a flight attendant topic?

 

[usfliboi]

I'm glad to see US Airways and the AFA reach an agreement with the assistance of the NMB.

In my opinion, the new deal is no only important for a standalone company, but places US Airways' F/As on a more equal footing with APFA's F/As and guaranttes AFA a seat at the MOU/JCBA table. And, the MOU provides an opportunity for further economic rank-and-file benefits is fist bite of the apple towards the JCBA.

Furthermore, the East pilots and F"as are splitting and will not be co-paired if the pilot's ratify their MOU because Pref Bid will be implemented in the first quarter of January 2014, not to mention after FAR 117 is implemented this fall F/As will suffer because they will still be co-paired with the pilots and according to Chip Mayer will not be able to fly "on duty, all nighters, be able to back-to-back transatlantic trips, will be required to fly more multi-day trips, and will need 1.5 days on the road more per month to get full pay,

I believe vote "no" to the TA risks include:

1. No pay raise or other economic benefits.

2. No bonus payment if the proposed merger proceeds.

3. APFA becoming the F/As union and deciding the joint contract.

4. The MOU puts US Airways' AFA F/As on an equal playing field with APFA at the time of the merger PID, which is important to subsequent seniority integration because of the importance economics pay when determining career expectation in a M_B SLI arbitration if APFA does not agree to a DOH SLI. How will US Airways' F/As career expectation be viewed by the Board of Arbitration with APFAs F/As paid MOU rates with overrides and East & West F/As paid about $41 and $37 per our hour, respectively? Could a no vote on TA III cause a bad relative position SLI with APFA's F/As if the proposed merger proceeds?

5. By being at the MOU table and agreeing to a MOU with APFA this will prevent the successor Company from leveraging one group against the other.

I believe the merger is likely to happen and APFAs MOU requires the union to file for single carrier CBA certification with the NMB within four months of the "effective" date. In my opinion, APFA is likely to be appointed the new company's F/A union and once they do they will negotiate US Airways' F/As next contract's Pay, Benefits, Work Rules, Scope, Retirement, and Health & Welfare. Therefore, I believe "voting no" only delays the inevitable of APFA deciding US Airways' F/As MOU/MTA/JCBA, US Airways' F/As and their families suffering longer on bankruptcy era contracts, the continued time loss of money & no economic gain, and a serious SLI risk that could be worse than the the view of how the Nicolau Award effected USAPA's pilots based east of the Mississippi River.

USA320Pilot

I agree 100%...of course i used the same argument in the last two t/a s ....Hopefully this time they will see that when Doug said no more monies he meant it. Our unions..."it sure is getting hot around here" LOL slogan didnt work but it gave cover for a little while for those who played politics and lost! The sad part is ...some still just dont get it and still bark and will never be happy! Oh well back to drinking my kool aid...Its tasty! 🙂

 

[usfliboi]

You lost money because of ignorance? Stand in line and cue the violins 😛 😛 😛

Unions have gotten dumber because of the ignorant membership. See they are lowering their standards which explains YOU! 😛

Years ago my contract gave me a $1000 sign-up bonus and we had a sector that turned it down for no other than to prove that they have the numbers to make or break us. The employer came back with the same contract and a $300 sign-up bonus, and these sons of nepotism voted it in!

get it 😛

ROFL Oh I get it! 🙂~

 

[ContUNITEus]

I hope you guys realize that absent a merger, you will not get an early out.

 

[signals]

True, and the math shows that you have to live to be very old to recover the eight years of checks you didn't get by waiting until you're 70. Delaying the start of your Social Security checks is a fool's game that benefits the rest of society (since you're likely to get less Social Security overall due to death at 71 or 75 or before you hit the crossover point).

I did say that you have to be in good health. People are starting to live longer and it is ashame when your retirement and SS don't meet the current COLA. But you are correct in that most baby-boomers won't live past 75.

 

[signals]

I hope you guys realize that absent a merger, you will not get an early out.

Now don't burst their bubble and just wish them a Bon Voyage!

 

[ContUNITEus]

What I mean is that you are being tricked into signing, with the CO fully knowing that you'll completely miss the part where it says that your gonna get the buyout only if there is a merger. So, indeed, you are just getting the few months worth that the company already saved by you not ratifying TA1 and 2.

 

[Toothy Grin]

What I mean is that you are being tricked into signing, with the CO fully knowing that you'll completely miss the part where it says that your gonna get the buyout only if there is a merger. So, indeed, you are just getting the few months worth that the company already saved by you not ratifying TA1 and 2.

Now, now. Nobodys being tricked.

All of this was stated from the get go so there are no surprises. Nobody should be surprised that there is no more money being offered or much else at this point.

What is important is that nothing was taken away and that US has representation at the table.

What wouldn't SURPRISE me is if CLT voted NO again even knowing that the pilot rest rules are going to change with negative effects for the East & West fa's. Some fas will still want to vote No just for the sake of chest thumping and chest puffery. Honestly, I gotta say, just get a boob job! The rest of us are eager to get on with our day.