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But there is a new law in town regarding mergers...I suggest you read it. The A-M driven law would be usurped at every turn if things happened they way you suggest. I'm not trying to be difficult here with you, but you need to think about what this law means going forward, as compared to what you are suggesting...(as well as Metroyet)
And, for the record, the new law regarding A-M provisions is NOT my law...it is simply THE law.
Get used to it.
I will respect our disagreement as long as you remain cordial. I will likewise. However, in the end, we will likely disagree.It is my understanding that the McCaskill-Bond law is usurped if the two combining groups have the same representation, and that representation has a merger policy affording mediation-arbitration. Our friends at ALPA made sure of this. The intent of the law is to guarantee the process is afforded you, not who affords you the process.
It is also my understanding that what is not usurped is NMB-RLA law that says something to the tune of once a single transportation system is determined and a single craft/class exist, there is a 15 day countdown to determine the representation for that class/craft.
I could be wrong though, I was just trying to answere Piedmont1984's question as to which would happen first. No big deal, we disagree.
So tell us. With your extensive legal background. Under what pretense would Sully be on the witness stand? What is he going to tell the jury?
Since you bring it up. You may want to read your own posts before they go out. You say that usapa does not recycle at HQ or domiciles.
Just so I am clear. Do you have a problem with s domicile communicating with the pilots? We are the largest base but only have one rep. He is a little busy.
Do you have a problem with someone to coordinate grievances from the largest base? Could Tracy maybe need some help protecting the west contract?
The PBS guy is already working with national. Problem with that position?
Legal affairs. Do you think that it might be a good idea for someone to keep track of all these things? Do some research into the legal options if the union is trying to terminate someone. Or sue someone for millions of dollars? No probably not because usapa has the west pilots best interest at heart. That has been proven over and over. “Xxxxxxxs committee will coordinate domicile functions with our two protective organizations.â€
East, Let’s look at the other side of the argument. Why was usapa fighting so hard to make it a jury trial?
QUOTE (nic4us @ Feb 24 2009, 07:01 PM)
It is my understanding that the McCaskill-Bond law is usurped if the two combining groups have the same representation, and that representation has a merger policy affording mediation-arbitration. Our friends at ALPA made sure of this. The intent of the law is to guarantee the process is afforded you, not who affords you the process.
It is also my understanding that what is not usurped is NMB-RLA law that says something to the tune of once a single transportation system is determined and a single craft/class exist, there is a 15 day countdown to determine the representation for that class/craft.
I could be wrong though, I was just trying to answere Piedmont1984's question as to which would happen first. No big deal, we disagree.
I will respect our disagreement as long as you remain cordial. I will likewise. However, in the end, we will likely disagree.
You make a few heady assertions my westerly friend...that LCC might be a ALPA carrier upon the "good news" of a UAL merger.
Not sure how that may come to pass...but hope is eternal..for some.
On that issue...I'll not comment.
Meantime, I suggest you deal with the realities at hand.
And, to address your question of 1984...if we are differing unions at time of merger: A-M proviso's are in place.
Were we to be an ALPA carrier at time of announcement of merging with UAL: they will most assuredly "negotiate" a list which disadvantages the junior guys arbitrarily accelerated by George Nicolau...of that, you may rest assured...ALPA or no ALPA.
Ok, Nic, when your almost right, Ill almost agree with you.
The 15-day is right, and I think the union that has the most number of members automatically takes control. BUT that clock doesnt start until a number of hoops are jumped through. It took over 16 months after the announcement for US/AWA to be declared a single system.
Nic4 is almost right. But most likely an LCC/UAL combination will not be a straight merger. Im betting a spinoff, split-off, who knows how it could end and what overlapping pieces would simple disappear.
But look at the bright side, Team Tempe likes to do the buying.
Now, PI...you keep that talk up and you'll spoil the dream... <_<These days it actually takes money to buy something, sport. Remember that AWA didn't put any money on this merger.
Now, PI...you keep that talk up and you'll spoil the dream... <_<
Actually, I'd like to revisit something underpants said earlier...and something that AH mentioned in a crew news recently.
It is acknowledged that USAPA has the ability to (re)negotiate any existing east or west agreement currently in place...to include the TA. The original issue being discussed with AH was the min fleet/block hours for the west.
I'd suggest that you guys out in desertville start making a few friends at USAPA...seems they hold the keys to your kingdom after all.
That they haven't sold you out speaks volumes for them. Your boy Brice isn't going to get any traction pursuing his "west agenda" as he is...he'll find that out soon enough. Being openly defiant just because he holds an interim title will get him deported if he keeps it up. If you want to actually participate in your union, fine, but just getting a west soapbox is not it.
What?!?! Have you been drinking? Where did you come up with something like this? Sure usapa can negotiate an entirely new contract - and is responsible for providing one that is fair to all. But the TA and any current West contract are NOT exposed targets for the east.
Man, you guys sure love to pull nonsense out of thin air....and certain other unmentionable body orifices.
Does usapa have an official minister of dis-information? If not, you should apply. Sheesh......
If two parties to a contract agree to renegotiate it, they can. It's just that simple. Contracts don't have to run their course as written as long as both parties agree to change it.
If the company was amenable, USAPA could start from scratch if they wanted to and dump both contracts, the TA and all the LOAs.
Happens all the time. Ever hear of a landlord agreeing to let a tenant out of a lease? Same thing.