Us...hp Merger.

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

First,
Congratulations on your merger.(I never thought US would have made it this far)!!

Second,
I apologise for not keeping current on all things that pertain to the new US.

How was/is the "occupational seniority" determined for the ;

Ramp ?
AMT's ?
F/a's ?
Rez. ?
Tkt counter/gate ?
Pilots ?

Thanx !!

NH/BB's

 

[BoeingBoy]

NHBB,

Missed you - glad to see you back on this forum....

I can only address pilots, though I assume it's similiar for other workgroups. Someone hired by the company that later changes jobs within the company has a date of hire of when they were hired by the company and a occupational seniority date as of when they switched jobs within the company.

A couple of examples, both for pilots:

PI in the early days had pursers, a few of whom got their pilot's license, built time, and became PI pilots. Their DOH was their original hire date as a purser and was used for non-rev travel, vacation accural, etc. Their occupational seniority date was when they were "hired" as pilots.

PI was also structured as a holding company with the airline division and a general aviation division. Some of the pilots for the general aviation division were hired by the airline. They kept their original general aviation DOH for non-rev, etc, but went on the airline seniority list as a new hire.

Jim

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

NHBB,

Missed you - glad to see you back on this forum....

I can only address pilots, though I assume it's similiar for other workgroups. Someone hired by the company that later changes jobs within the company has a date of hire of when they were hired by the company and a occupational seniority date as of when they switched jobs within the company.

A couple of examples, both for pilots:

PI in the early days had pursers, a few of whom got their pilot's license, built time, and became PI pilots. Their DOH was their original hire date as a purser and was used for non-rev travel, vacation accural, etc. Their occupational seniority date was when they were "hired" as pilots.

PI was also structured as a holding company with the airline division and a general aviation division. Some of the pilots for the general aviation division were hired by the airline. They kept their original general aviation DOH for non-rev, etc, but went on the airline seniority list as a new hire.

Jim

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Jim,

Thanx for that.

Now for you ALPA guys at US and HP, can I assume you were/are Dovetailed ??

NH/BB's

 

[BoeingBoy]

Oh, we've just barely started down that road. I suspect an arbitrator will decide at some point, but there's a long way to go and many dollars to be spent (by both sides) before we get to a conclusion.

Jim

 

[700UW]

Under the IAM CBA, your seniority in each classification is the day you start work in the respective classification.

Your company time is for travel. Some of us have multiple classification dates as you can hold seniority in more then one classification under the CBA.

 

[N109UW]

As for the F/A's, right now it looks as though we are going by Date of Hire(DOH) at your former company. If you had 20 years at US, you would have 20 yrs at new LCC, same with former HP's. The former HP's really don't like that, but it is in our C&Bylaws of the AFA. I endured it with the PI and US merger, so we just move forward to make this one great airline.

 

[CLTBWIDAYSYR]

I'm curious, does anyone think that f/a bases will be restricted (probably the wrong word) to transfers? Example: only original America West flight attendants can be based in PHX, LAS, etc for x amount of time after integration, thus keeping their their current seniority. I can only imagine how many former PSA employees are itching to transfer to the west with hire dates of 1965. It seems to me this would be the only logical way to keep things somewhat stable. America West flight attendants keep their seniority in former America West bases, but go date of hire if they transfer to any US Airways bases. Likewise, any old US Airways flight attendants go to the bottom of the seniority list of a former America West domicile. Thoughts?

 

[Us/boston]

I'm curious, does anyone think that f/a bases will be restricted (probably the wrong word) to transfers? Example: only original America West flight attendants can be based in PHX, LAS, etc for x amount of time after integration, thus keeping their their current seniority. I can only imagine how many former PSA employees are itching to transfer to the west with hire dates of 1965. It seems to me this would be the only logical way to keep things somewhat stable. America West flight attendants keep their seniority in former America West bases, but go date of hire if they transfer to any US Airways bases. Likewise, any old US Airways flight attendants go to the bottom of the seniority list of a former America West domicile. Thoughts?

[post="307343"][/post]​

You must mean that if any hp F/A transfer east they go to the bottom of the list and if any U F/A transfer west they go to the bottom of the list. This would work but I think it would be sad. We would not be one company. It should be date of hire across the board as it says in the union bylaws with fence agreements. As you have it listed above it would not be fair to give HP date of hire when they transfer east but staple U people that go west.

 

[UseYourHead]

1965 DOH FA's will stay in PHL to fly international.

I'm curious, does anyone think that f/a bases will be restricted (probably the wrong word) to transfers? Example: only original America West flight attendants can be based in PHX, LAS, etc for x amount of time after integration, thus keeping their their current seniority. I can only imagine how many former PSA employees are itching to transfer to the west with hire dates of 1965. It seems to me this would be the only logical way to keep things somewhat stable. America West flight attendants keep their seniority in former America West bases, but go date of hire if they transfer to any US Airways bases. Likewise, any old US Airways flight attendants go to the bottom of the seniority list of a former America West domicile. Thoughts?

[post="307343"][/post]​

 

[hulagirl]

I'm curious, does anyone think that f/a bases will be restricted (probably the wrong word) to transfers? Example: only original America West flight attendants can be based in PHX, LAS, etc for x amount of time after integration, thus keeping their their current seniority. I can only imagine how many former PSA employees are itching to transfer to the west with hire dates of 1965. It seems to me this would be the only logical way to keep things somewhat stable. America West flight attendants keep their seniority in former America West bases, but go date of hire if they transfer to any US Airways bases. Likewise, any old US Airways flight attendants go to the bottom of the seniority list of a former America West domicile. Thoughts?

[post="307343"][/post]​

Huh? I believe that when someone transfers out, someone comes in with date of hire seniority, not on the bottom of the base seniority list.
I would be happy to send a bid to any of the US flight attendants so they can see what there is to fly out of PHX. Our bids come out on the 13th of every month and are due on the 17th.
I recently flew with a pretty senior group here and they said they wanted OUT of PHX (they said they are looking for a different clientelle). I would venture to say that the seniors at old US may want to stay where they are when they see what there is to fly out of PHX. But, if they want to come here, they are senior and can do what they want, at their date of hire seniority, not at the bottom.

 

[heyray]

As it currently stands, f/a's bid trips in their base based on seniority. They have work group seniority, and when they transfer to another base, they are slotted in where there seniority dictates. When they transfer, they do not go to the bottom of the base seniority roster.\


Also, a flight attendant can not bump into a base if there are no openings in that base, regardless of system seniority.