US Pilot Labor Thread 7/27-8/3

[luvthe9]

Perhaps he should ask the VP flight how the FAA views unplanned stops for fuel.

You have to have the right fuel load to AT THE GATE first. He should understand that

 

[sharktooth]

You have to have the right fuel load to AT THE GATE first. He should understand that

Apparently, he does not.

 

[Megasnoop]

As an ex-A330 Check Airman, I will tell you I would rather have more then less fuel. I can't tell you the number of times we came within just a few hundred pounds of having to divert to our alternate. Only the professionalism of the British Airways crews telling the final controller to let us (meaning US Airways) go ahead of them, allowed us to get to our intended destination.
Until you fly international, don't underestimate the value of more fuel regardless of what dispatch calculates.

CaptBud330, thanks from me as well. I haven't had that many crossings, but as a gear-yanker, it's good to know the PIC isn't ignoring his years of experience becaus the company is out to trip over the dollar to save the dime.

Our ClearDirect "friend" will probably give me another BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. That's what he does when he's got no logical reply. But here some numbers. I rounded off the exact amounts to protect one of the "Philly Eight." He got a letter from Corbusier and Yarko claiming he added about 2700# on about 40% of his flights. Let's say he was average for the "Evil Eight." That's an average of 164 gallons per leg. At $3/gal that's $490 per crossing IF they burned up all the gas, which they don't. If all 8 CAs averaged 8 legs a month (that's probably a little high) and burned an extra 164 gallons per leg, that would cost the company an extra $388,000 per year. But their not burning that much extra, only carrying it.

Here's why I think that $388,000 number is close, assuming it's all burned. The company says so. On one slide of the company's NON-FAA-approved 53-page Power Point Fuel Training course specially prepared for the "Philly Fuel Hogs," management crunched the numbers. The slide says it takes an extra 350 gallons of fuel per day to carry each extra 1000# for the entire A330 fleet. So if everyone is doing what the "Evil Eight" are doing, at $3/gal, it would cost the company $383,000 more a year. That's less than the cost of two diverts on a 330.

If you divide $383K by a $3 Billion fuel bill this year, that works out to less than 0.0012% of the total fuel bill.

A couple more things, since we now do this re-dispatch from International to Domestic, we don't need alternates with good WX. But I've held going into PHL-Rwy09 on CAVOK days. Every turn in holding on a light A-330 is about #1,000 fuel burn. I can see the company trying to save a dime, but their tripping over the dollar to get there and running up our blood pressure too. Snoop

 

[prechilill]

As an ex-A330 Check Airman, I will tell you I would rather have more then less fuel. I can't tell you the number of times we came within just a few hundred pounds of having to divert to our alternate. Only the professionalism of the British Airways crews telling the final controller to let us (meaning US Airways) go ahead of them, allowed us to get to our intended destination.
Until you fly international, don't underestimate the value of more fuel regardless of what dispatch calculates.

Sounds like you have fuel management issues. Good aviators keep close track of their fuel at each waypoint, it is an attention to detail thing. Perhaps this is a reason you are an ex-check airman?

 

[EastUS]

Sounds like you have fuel management issues. Good aviators keep close track of their fuel at each waypoint, it is an attention to detail thing. Perhaps this is a reason you are an ex-check airman?

The man is honorably retired after a full and successful career, as has been posted before...Apparently..."it is an attention to detail thing"..which you should have no problems with being of course, a "Good aviator". In the brief moments available to you between continuously spewing forth yet more brain-dead variations of "and we hate you guys"...Do please continue enlightening us all with your vast personal expertise and now-standard, and well established westie brilliance though....We all can use a good laugh at times...

 

[prechilill]

The man is honorably retired after a full and successful career. Please continue enlightening us all with your personal expertise and now-standard westie brilliance though....We all can use a good laugh at times

From the hills of Pennsylvania to flying lessons at the local airport, getting hired at a commuter and one day stepping on board an A330. Yes, even a blind squirrel can find a nut... It is the luck some have in life, but don't confuse it with brilliance or achievement of anything notable. Peace.

 

[elixir]

A lot like the DASh-8...no?

You guys are quite simply "outclassed" and it pisses you off...

I understand.

It's not your fault.

You worked for a regional that went to Canada and Mexico

(doesn't make you a hero)

 

[EastUS]

From the hills of Pennsylvania to flying lessons at the local airport, getting hired at a commuter and one day stepping on board an A330. Yes, even a blind squirrel can find a nut... It is the luck some have in life, but don't confuse it with brilliance or achievement of anything notable. Peace.

Well...Situational Awareness is also the hallmark of any competent Aviator...or, in the case of some....the utter lack thereof.

Sorry to see that you're clearly going to such sad little pieces out there prechilled.

 

[luvthe9]

Sounds like you have fuel management issues. Good aviators keep close track of their fuel at each waypoint, it is an attention to detail thing. Perhaps this is a reason you are an ex-check airman?

I think Bud is retired, I wish was.

 

[elixir]

The "DIVISION" guys I have met are all hero's to me...
They did the "deal" with what they had...and little or no help.

and now you "chockes" want to penalize them in some way for their position.


Makes me sick.

I think I'm on my way out..because I object to your bull####.

I'm out.

see ya when I see ya.

 

[dariencc]

Sounds like you have fuel management issues. Good aviators keep close track of their fuel at each waypoint, it is an attention to detail thing. Perhaps this is a reason you are an ex-check airman?

Good thing we have you to explain the world of aviation to the ignorant.

 

[EastUS]

Good thing we have you to explain the world of aviation to the ignorant.

Gentlemen: Well..Within the recent pages; I submit that we've been afforded valuable glimpses into the minds of the sorts that imagine themselves "worthy" of Nic-based "seniority" = Naieve in extremis, Arrogant and narcicisstic beyond belief, Spineless but yet treacherous, Absurdly inexperienced,... and yet far worse = poorly educated before as well as once within the Profession. I say valuable glimpses because, to my last day...I'll never fully understand the inherent insanity involved in the whole mess....An interesting pathology for certain....perhaps best quickly summed up by a retired USAF comrade = "Who do those punks think they are!!?"

I'm starting to believe it's more a case of "They honestly just don't know any better".

 

[prechilill]

perhaps best quickly summed up by a retired USAF comrade = "Who do those punks think they are!!?"

Senior to most of you.

 

[EastUS]

Senior to most of you.

Yes..as evidenced by your postings...in your own mind..you're "senior" to, and self-qualified to lecture even a retired 330 Check Airman...I see it clearly, as do all...(maintains eye contact and slowly backs away)...It'll be OK...don't get upset..I'm just reaching for my cell phone to call the nice Doctor...He'll send some really nice, friendly people who you'll just love to talk with....Why don't you just sit down and relax for awhile...everything's going to be allright....

"I'm starting to believe it's more a case of "They honestly just don't know any better".

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Senior to most of you.

Maybe she just meant that she was having a "senior moment".