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"I'm starting to believe it's more a case of "They honestly just don't know any better"."

right on, East. These guys call into question CA's authority on fuel, but not on authorization of a jumpseat. They call the JS a "safety" issue, but fuel sticking it to the company.

As laughable as the Corbusier/Yarko "probe" may be, the 53-page power-point presentation ought to be required training for ALL LCC pilots, east AND west, especially charts 42-47 and especially for the Leo's Lost Legions. Their charts of "Fleet Average Arrivals" with over "75 minutes arrival fuel" for the first four months of 2008. PHL A-330 arrivals have the LOWEST minutes remaining of all other PHL aircraft types, just 84 minutes. So even though they fly the longest legs, the cut their fuel to the bone. The highest in PHL is the 737 at 105 minutes. The rest range from 90 to 103 minutes. CLT A-330 crews arrived with even less: only 72 minutes remaining, while the rest of CLT fuel arrival averages are over the PHL 330s.

LAS wasn't included in the charts. With the exception of 757 (domestic) in PHX, all the other minutes of fuel remaining over 75 were way over PHL-330s. LGA, with it's shorter flights, got as high as 112 minutes on the 319.

The company can track fuel burn. Evidently the Philly Eight weren't burning any excess fuel, or the fuel police would have nailed them on that. No, they nailed them on carrying an extra 12 minutes of fuel, 40% of the time. I don't get it. The PHL A-330 average landing has just 9 extra minutes 100% of the time. And for that, these 8 guys are being called out? USAPA, you need to take a look into this. There's something else going on, here. Snoop
 
I anxiously await the day EastUS awards himself the medal of honor here on USAviation.com. God there is a lot of hot air around here... anybody seen a Remax balloon???
 
I anxiously await the day EastUS awards himself the medal of honor here on USAviation.com. God there is a lot of hot air around here... anybody seen a Remax balloon???

I'm not really surprised that you think it "cute" to make jokes about our nation's highest decoration for Valour......very sad indeed. Check out the listings for those who've received it. A great many were no longer alive when they did. There are some who've simply no respect for anything at all. "It's ALL about MEEE!!" apparently goes all the way to the bone with some people.

I'm no longer just thinking that "they just don't know any better"...I'm sure.
 
USAPA, you need to take a look into this. There's something else going on, here.
It would be very interesting to call "mgt" on the carpet and have them stammer out a "reason" for calling out those particular pilots. Anyone in CLT today?

Side question. Under "poopie", Safety reported directly to the CEO. Now, I understand, it does not. If not, when did it change and why?
 
I'm not really surprised that you think it "cute" to make jokes about our nation's highest decoration for Valour......very sad indeed. Check out the listings for those who've received it. A great many were no longer alive when they did. There are some who've simply no respect for anything at all. "It's ALL about MEEE!!" apparently goes all the way to the bone with some people.

I'm no longer just thinking that "they just don't know any better"...I'm sure.

East, you are the undisputed heavy weight champion of drama- the king- number one. Keep it up! We are all entertained by you out west. :up: It is hard to believe you may be like this in real life because I am sure you don't really speak in Old English, have paragraph replies to questions (if you even answer the question- a rarity when you do) which demand simple yes/no answers or act like you are born on the fourth of July as rockets red glare were bursting overhead. Maybe you should turn down the burner can a little- you seem to have quite an excess of hot gasses. Just a suggestion. Peace.

Oh, and one more question. Since you love to play the part of patriot around here I was wondering how you reconcile voluntarily resigning your commission before retiring from active duty with length of service? You know, the "31" code which preceeds your social specifying you served active duty for the full twenty. Why didn't you stay in for the full 20 like so many officers and enlisted do? Your act seems a touch hypocritical is all I am saying. Have a nice afternoon.
 
It would be very interesting to call "mgt" on the carpet and have them stammer out a "reason" for calling out those particular pilots.

Personal guess? = They're among the very most senior pilots around. Who better to target if the intention is to get everyone "into line"? That the "fuel" issue was ever even made over carrying a bit more fuel for some of the very longest flight legs in the system speaks volumes in itself. There's few more obvious conditions that, very reasonably, might demand additional fuel than the longest european shuttles..which don't start out all that "fat" to begin with, ala re-releases/etc.

What's amazing is to read all the "and we hate you guys" westies blindly going along with the Kompany Koolaide position on this mess. Did I say blindly?..I should have said; with incredible foolishness, and even the utmost enthusiasm 😉 I suppose that, given their fabulous success in achieving even the cactus callsign..that they've yet the fullest faith in management, and think nothing of the sort will inevitably, and quickly tumble down onto them as well. To me..the situation's pretty basic = "If we can intimidate the most senior and experienced pilots, flying even the longest legs...the lower echelons will go along easilly". Obviously, in the case of at least the west posters hereabouts..management can already count on blind submission to whatever their whims are, and even have a group of cheerleading "Useful Idiots" to be manipulated in any way they wish. All that needs be done is to first make any intrusion into the cockpit an anti-east issue...and they'll follow along out west like slobbering little puppies....a sad business indeed.
 
East, you are the undisputed heavy weight champion of drama- the king- number one. Keep it up! We are all entertained by you out west.

Oh, and one more question. Since you love to play the part of patriot around here I was wondering how you reconcile voluntarily resigning your commission before retiring from active duty with length of service?

Umm..."before retiring from active duty with length of service?" Say it's not so!!..There's just NO WAY you magically now have any presumed notions that length of service should ever be any concern!! 😉 Tsk Tsk..Whatever would St. Nic say about such blasphemy?

Seriously though =OK. I didn't resign my commision after active service. I went into flying with the active reserves/guard side of the fence after my intial active duty commitment was over, and only saw "full time active duty" service again when called back for Desert Shield/Desert Storm. Not everyone stays on full time active duty for 20 or more..If you've no respect for those that served or are serving in guard or reserve units...that's your problem. A great many of them have come home in boxes, thousands of them are currently serving in the Sandbox, and I certainly can't find reasons for questioning their patriotism...but I'm (thank God Allmighty)..not you. In actual fact..the largest tragic loss of our people in a single blow during Desert Storm was from the scud hit on a reserve barracks...but you might well have still been too busy with school/proms/etc at that time to even notice.

....and your personal credentials for feeling so free to mouth off are....umm...what?.

Grow Up> "Just a suggestion. Peace."

"I'm no longer just thinking that "they just don't know any better"...I'm sure."
 
I went into flying with the active reserves/guard side of the fence after my initial active duty commitment was over, and only saw "full time active duty" service again when called back for Desert Shield/Desert Storm.
Surely you are not suggesting, sir, that a mere combat tour, with its resultant dangers, family separation and career disruption, would qualify you to speak freely on military and/or political matters. It's not as if you were regular Air Force. Keep it real, dude. If no less an authority than prechilled has labeled you a slacker, that is good enough for me. <_<


In actual fact..the largest tragic loss of our people in a single blow during Desert Storm was from the scud hit on a reserve barracks...
Pennsylvania Army National Guard, Greensburg, PA. God bless them....may they rest in peace.


but you might well have still been too busy with school/proms/etc at that time to even notice.
Oh c'mon, dude. It was, like, a really cool prom.
 
....and your personal credentials for feeling so free to mouth off are....umm...what?.

Grow Up> "Just a suggestion. Peace."

"I'm no longer just thinking that "they just don't know any better"...I'm sure."
Awww you know when faced with a reality that doesn't fit her personal life experiences, she just falls back to the whoppers tag line ...........It's all about Meeeeee!!!

Thank you for your service good sir.

BTW. I'm sure also. :up:
 
Must be hard to contain the "story" out West when U-Turn (one of their own) is putting 2 and 2 together finally...lets read it all again, shall we?

Our union leaders
> believed that the USAPA vote would be close (razor’s
> edge, to quote one of them)
> and that it was worth holding out and rolling the dice,
> figuring that if ALPA
> survived, so would the NIC. Too bad ALPA didn’t explain
> the importance of the
> 30% of East pilots who refused to participate in the Wilson
> Polling.
>
>
> We now have a
> better picture what the East MEC had on the table: an 8
> year fence, furloughs by
> longevity (LOS), MDA time not counting for longevity, Dave
> O’Dell having 400
> pilots below him, and the Nic surviving as THE LIST. Yes,
> the East offered the
> NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement
> attrition, which stalled by
> the change in Age-60. Looking back,
> that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot
> right now, but last
> February the EAST MEC and ALPA couldn’t get to first base
> with
> it.
>
> Our former
> MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game
> of poker by not
> dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking
> everything…..and
> right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take
> responsibility for
> that.
>
> U-Turn

Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside....
 
Umm..."before retiring from active duty with length of service?" Say it's not so!!..There's just NO WAY you magically now have any presumed notions that length of service should ever be any concern!! 😉 Tsk Tsk..Whatever would St. Nic say about such blasphemy?

Seriously though =OK. I didn't resign my commision after active service. I went into flying with the active reserves/guard side of the fence after my intial active duty commitment was over, and only saw "full time active duty" service again when called back for Desert Shield/Desert Storm. Not everyone stays on full time active duty for 20 or more..If you've no respect for those that served or are serving in guard or reserve units...that's your problem. A great many of them have come home in boxes, thousands of them are currently serving in the Sandbox, and I certainly can't find reasons for questioning their patriotism...but I'm (thank God Allmighty)..not you. In actual fact..the largest tragic loss of our people in a single blow during Desert Storm was from the scud hit on a reserve barracks...but you might well have still been too busy with school/proms/etc at that time to even notice.

....and your personal credentials for feeling so free to mouth off are....umm...what?.

Grow Up> "Just a suggestion. Peace."

"I'm no longer just thinking that "they just don't know any better"...I'm sure."

Yes, you are a career reservist. Good for you. Since you believe patriotism is measured years of active service, you are way behind my friend by your own measure and your ego is getting the best of you (again) on these boards. Fact is, you aren't any different than many other Americans who served so I will disagree with you regarding your imagined monopoly on patriotism. You don't have it. You served, got your DD214 and split from the program. No big deal. So, take a deep breath, look in the mirror and remember even though this bothers you tremendously, you are no different than any other vet who served. You are nothing special.
 
Yes, you are a career reservist. Good for you. Since you believe patriotism is measured years of active service, you are way behind my friend by your own measure and your ego is getting the best of you (again) on these boards. Fact is, you aren't any different than many other Americans who served so I will disagree with you regarding your imagined monopoly on patriotism. You don't have it. You served, got your DD214 and split from the program. No big deal. So, take a deep breath, look in the mirror and remember even though this bothers you tremendously, you are no different than any other vet who served. You are nothing special.
There is something REALLY WRONG with you.
 
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