US Pilots Thread for the week 9/14-9/21.

[Richard]

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[machtuck]

As Jim pointed out already, it seems the mainline fleet count is below 360 already. This doesn't render the RJ scope issue moot, but it does put is a close second. So, I'm curious why Parker said he would have furloughed more, but he was constrained by the min fleet language on each side...how is it he can be down (or planning to be down) to 320 +/- hulls?

"Ways around that..." is begining to bother me.

 

[Elevation]

B) During the first year following the consummation of the Merger
Agreement, America West and US Airways will each maintain not
less than 80% of the number of aircraft (excluding SJs as defined
in the US Airways agreement as amended by this Letter of
Agreement) listed by month for that airline in Attachment B.

c) For US Airways, the number of minimum aircraft will be re-
established one year after the consummation of the Merger
Agreement at the lesser of 279 total aircraft (excluding SJs), or the
number of total aircraft then operated by US Airways (excluding
SJs) less ten percent (10%), rounded to the nearest aircraft, with
the daily utilization rate measured monthly as the average daily
utilization rate for the prior twelve months less ten percent (10%).

d) For America West, the number of minimum aircraft will be
established one year after the consummation of the Merger
Agreement at the lesser of 140 total aircraft (excluding SJs), or the
number of total aircraft then operated by America West (excluding
SJs) less ten percent (10%), rounded to the nearest aircraft, with
the daily utilization rate measured monthly as the average daily
utilization rate for the prior twelve months less ten percent (10%).



Sounds like they have plenty of wiggle room here.

 

[machtuck]

Thanks bud...

I'm a jug into the sangria, but here's my math:

East 279
west140

ToT 419

less 28 (east)
less 14 (west)

SUB 377

I'm a little fuzzy how this pencils out ...the numbers don't make sense.

Am I missing something here?

Are the min block hours kicking in here?...

I don't get the math.


"utilization rate measured monthly"

Is this the secret?....

 

[ussnark]

Thanks bud...

I'm a jug into the sangria, but here's my math:

East 279
west140

ToT 419

less 28 (east)
less 14 (west)

SUB 377

I'm a little fuzzy how this pencils out ...the numbers don't make sense.

Am I missing something here?

Are the min block hours kicking in here?...

I don't get the math.


"utilization rate measured monthly"

Is this the secret?....

I say a job action would straighten Tempe up. Like, maybe, following the rules on write-ups. Cap hours per month to 80. Tempe needs to be taught a lesson in ethics. Let them suffer.

 

[machtuck]

Its clear to me that they seem to be capitalizing on the infighting with pilots...I think we should remind them that we are not so distracted that we are missing some obvious moves on their part.....

 

[700UW]

The last pilot that mentioned a job action on this board was terminated and for out work for several months, not too bright to put that out in public.

 

[Res Judicata]

Tempe needs to be taught a lesson in ethics. Let them suffer.

Mr. Pot, Meet Mr. Kettle. This post is so thick with Irony I almost hate to mention the Class Action lawsuits and letters of terminations against your own members. Classic East Myopia.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I'm a little fuzzy how this pencils out ...the numbers don't make sense.

That's because you used the 279/140 numbers. The TA says the lesser of 279/140 or the number of aircraft in each fleet 1 year after the merger less 10%. I don't know if the West side was below 140 or not on the 1 year anniversary, but East was down to around 220 airplanes. That math looks like:

140 (assuming that's right) + ~220 = ~360
~360 - 10% (that's ~36) = 324

So the min combined fleet count would be around 324 airplanes - call it 320 to 330. Additionally, the E190's don't count as part of the min fleet count.

Jim

 

[EastUS]

Its clear to me that they seem to be capitalizing on the infighting with pilots...

That much is certain, and must not be allowed to prevent proper focus on the scope and furlough issues. We can all expect the company to fully exploit the "perfect storm" within the pilot group to the maximum extent that they can.....which doesn't help any suffering or set for furloughs in the least.

 

[cactusboy53]

I say a job action would straighten Tempe up. Like, maybe, following the rules on write-ups. Cap hours per month to 80. Tempe needs to be taught a lesson in ethics. Let them suffer.

That's funny. Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot.

 

[EastUS]

That's funny. Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot.

Yes, Yes indeed...We all fully understand just exactly how much "INTEGRITY MATTERS" to all concerned out west....One need only ask the previously loudest west "Champion" for that BS fantasy of yours the true definition of just how much you all value such = your self proclaimed, but entirely fake "war hero" NLC about that. Are we done now? Get off the wholly BS, completely fantasized, and entirely self assigned high horse already..and consider doing something actually useful...for even once...

 

[prechilill]

That's funny. Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot.

Did somebody infer actually abiding by contracts around here? 😱

 

[ussnark]

This post is so thick with Irony I almost hate to mention the Class Action lawsuits and letters of terminations against your own members.

Huh? No myopia here.

If a labor group wishes to impose "the" contract against the company, is that not the same as imposing a legally elected union's rules against their own members? I would presume someone with your "nom de plume" would understand consistency as a part of competency?

BTW, I used the phrase "job action". Everyone abiding by a written contract is now cause for termination?

 

[dariencc]

The last pilot that mentioned a job action on this board was terminated and for out work for several months, not too bright to put that out in public.

He didn't get canned for posting on US Aviation. He was agitating, under his real name, for a max fuel burn program on his own private board called Pilot Action, where he controls the membership and can eliminate dissenting voices. He's a real pillar of strength.

He naively thought that because he was among his cool aid drinking fan club, he was safe to speak his mind and stop cheerleading for once. Big mistake. He was immediately ratted out by his "brigade," as one of their dim bulbs comically refers to them. One can only imagine his shock as he was escorted from the property after years of carrying water for his corporate idols.

Once the great man was returned to active status, he flipped from a USAPA advocate and fuel burn rabble rouser to a meek Alpa supporter. Overnight, the USAPA leadership had somehow gone from principled change agents to sleazy, underhanded radicals. Sadly, by the time of the representation election, his place on the credibility scale was somewhere around Joe Isuzu.

He should have stuck to hair plug infomercials.