Snoop, this is true and one of the last paragraphs in the merger policy states that alpa will compel the company to accept the results of an arbitrated or negotiated seniority list. It is true, the company does not have to accept it BUT, they did accept it. None of this is in reference to contract negotiations. Alpa offered the nicolau list, the company accepted it. That agreement was completed. Bargaining position offered and accepted. Done.
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Snoop, this is true and one of the last paragraphs in the merger policy states that alpa will compel the company to accept the results of an arbitrated or negotiated seniority list. It is true, the company does not have to accept it BUT, they did accept it. None of this is in reference to contract negotiations. Alpa offered the nicolau list, the company accepted it. That agreement was completed. Bargaining position offered and accepted. Done.
Indeed. I'm surprised he's not too busy saving "hundreds of troops on the ground that maybe didn't get killed because myself.."/etc, in a "war experience", woven entirely from his complete fantasies. I suppose we should feel priveledged indeed, to have his sage council readily available as per "On second thought - that behave like an adult thing? Probably not gonna happen." 🙄
Lest I fail to offer proper homage to the self-assigned, vocally espoused, and clearly cherished west/NLC fantasy = "INTEGRITY MATTERS" :blink:
Some individuals are simply past all possible belief......All out west must be so very proud to have such a spokesperson, for the vast oceans of "Integrity" so clearly and universally embraced out there.....
Back to the real world.....
I don't think you could find the "real world" with charts and a GPS.
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I'll properly consider the source on that. IF that's your best defense for your westie "hero", NLC..Well...I can easilly understand your anger and embarrassment. I'll not dare suggest that you're potentially as "reality challenged" as your partner, NLC though. Meanwhile: "That agreement was completed. Bargaining position offered and accepted. Done." SO..Nic's an admittedly mere "bargaining position", from a previous bargaining agent.....but is yet both "accepted" and "done"?..Within a contract yet to be negotiated?..by an entirely different bargaining agency? An "interesting" take on things. That seems utterly specious to the point of absurdity to me but....Time will tell.
tazz: "BUT, they did accept it" define "accept"? They've "accepted" Christmas cards as well...and I still don't see any St Nic party scheduled due to said cards either........
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Jet America vs Alaska pilots. Arbitration, fought by Alaska, handed right back to them by the courts. Seham missed a big one (no surprise).
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Was there any changing of the guard regarding bargaining agencies during that process?
Was the arbitration a confessedly "bargaining position"?
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You claim to be smart, use this information to your own detriment.
Take a look at this:
http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/8...13.88-2600.html
Pay particular attention to the filing date of the original claim and the date of judgement by the appeals court. Your drawn out court decision fantasy didn't apply in the real world, or at least in this case it didn't. Feel free though to come up with a new make believe ending to your own Shakespeare tragedy.
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Yeah...we know...2 previous ALPA carriers' merged...ALPA tried to put it together, they couldn't. It went to ALPA sanctioned arbitration. ALPA National tried to diffuse the results when NIC handed down his postulation. They sat on it...they did "damage control," they had meetings, Wye River..and what not...they were threatenesd with decert because of the perceived unfairness of the NIC...ALPA wallowed around ...trying to fix it....knowing the ramifications of the "award/gift"if it were upheld...as usual, ALPA rolled over....their own merger policy being so ambiguous that their own counsel was in a conundrum...the documentation of ALPA's frantic attempts to "fix this" are numerous.
No more ALPA.
We are going to court.
Any further dialogue is posturing and flexing about something the court will decide.
Meanwhile, an attempt is being made to determine scope/min fleet transgressions resulting in companywide furloughs.
Time better spent, since the courts will pontificate and decide about a new legal union being forced to accept a document that is incongruent with it's C&BL's...and the lawsuit alleging those C &BL's not considering a group who are voluntarily and energetically non-members will have to have it's day in court.
No more ALPA.
We are going to court.
Any further dialogue is posturing and flexing about something the court will decide.
Meanwhile, an attempt is being made to determine scope/min fleet transgressions resulting in companywide furloughs.
Time better spent, since the courts will pontificate and decide about a new legal union being forced to accept a document that is incongruent with it's C&BL's...and the lawsuit alleging those C &BL's not considering a group who are voluntarily and energetically non-members will have to have it's day in court.
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Thanks for the link and the standard rhetoric.
I'm curious as to how this applies here = " the Alaska pilots were represented by ALPA for purposes of collective bargaining, while the Jet America pilots were unrepresented. Captain Bernard, a Jet America pilot, filed a complaint on behalf of himself and the other Jet America pilots against ALPA for breach of its duty of fair representation in negotiating an integrated seniority agreement with Alaska."
"ALPA was then required to use "all means at its disposal to compel a company to recognize" the resulting seniority list. Under the latter policy, the ALPA president was required to make every effort to modify the general merger policy and gain acceptance of a procedure that would result in "a fair and equitable resolution in a timely and expeditious manner."
Sounds like you ought to be suing Alpa 😉
PS: In any case, I agree with mach on the idea that more pressing issues are at hand, and the filed BS will be resolved in court...someday.
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I propose that the "everclear" group out west just set aside the banter about your "surefire win"....yep, to court we go...(along with the company) Not making any friends at the cathouse..well, whatever. It's your lawsuit...enjoy it, wallow in it....roll around for a few years...(thats what it will take to hear the answer I suspect you'll hate)...meanwhile, if you have some special love for your junior guys out west, I suggest you abandon the "we're gonna get you..." blather and focus a little on real-world, real-time events....furloughs...and ones that may or may not be legal...ones that make captains into FO's....ones that make BH's into RSV...ones that set guys out on the street.
Do what you will.
Do what you will.
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18 months start to finish, including a round at the court of appeals. The death of USAPA ought to be quicker than I thought after the USAPA lemming realize they can't get that pie in the sky and turn on the little king...
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Simple minds are easy to amuse...
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Actually..given that you were all about the east group being set to "begin the healing" from our imminent trauma, just prior to the election..in your full and certain knowledge of Alpo's triumph...You're already behind your projected time line by quite a bit. Ummm..not to take issue with the standard, finely turned and imaginative insults..but FYI..a bit back; you were OK with "sheep" as a plural representative..but "lemming" needs an S at the end to equally qualify.
"Simple minds are easy to amuse... " Apparently so, as I can't help but garner some chuckles here 😉
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OUCH!...that hurt!....even though I don't get it...
I hope you know by now that you certainly can't intimidate me, or insult me to a point where I go away and make your life easier... even though you continue in an excruciatingly feeble way to do so.
Wow...you are so much smarter and meaner than I ever thought possible...I better just resign now, and shut up forever...you must be like some kind of superhero...
"MEGAMEDULA"!....( I knew it..I bow down to your massive forehead)
I hope you know by now that you certainly can't intimidate me, or insult me to a point where I go away and make your life easier... even though you continue in an excruciatingly feeble way to do so.
Wow...you are so much smarter and meaner than I ever thought possible...I better just resign now, and shut up forever...you must be like some kind of superhero...
"MEGAMEDULA"!....( I knew it..I bow down to your massive forehead)
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