US Pilots Thread for the week 9/14-9/21.

[EastUS]

Did somebody infer actually abiding by contracts around here? 😱

AH! So, we're back to your standard: "Waaah!! Double Waaah!!! Gimme my Nic!!??" Nevermind that it's not actually part of any established contract, and, imho, that will be an absurdly uphill battle to even attempt to frame for even your wildest wishes. The usual BS was in self assigned ethics, which is a great little westie sound bite to offer. I'd suggest though, for any future purposes, that you find some people that actually have any themselves to trumpet out such BS, or simply shut up about that particular fantasy. Whatever degree of ridiculous self righteousness you feel you posess, it doesn't help any involved with furlough situations, or actually anything else in the slightest. I think I'll stick with: "Get off the wholly BS, completely fantasized, and entirely self assigned high horse already..and consider doing something actually useful...for even once..."

 

[Megasnoop]

He naively thought that because he was among his cool aid drinking fan club, he was safe to speak his mind and stop cheerleading for once. Big mistake. He was immediately ratted out by his "brigade," as one of their dim bulbs comically refers to them. One can only imagine his shock as he was escorted from the property after years of carrying water for his corporate idols.

Once the great man was returned to active status, he flipped from a USAPA advocate and fuel burn rabble rouser to a meek Alpa supporter. Overnight, the USAPA leadership had somehow gone from principled change agents to sleazy, underhanded radicals.

Darien, sometimes youve got to let the chips lay where they fall. It was amazing how he did a 180 after ALPO saved his bacon. Not so meek from the emails he sent out. He went from termination to back on property and active ALPO supporter, attack dog in less than 2 months.

One thing about this "large small jet" (an oxymoron like "jumbo shrimp") dispute, 17 aircraft over the limit. Worse case for the company is they lose. then they just shut down a couple of RJ cities and cancel contracts for 17 RJs. Not sure how thats a win for us. No way I can see our furloughed pilots are going to be flying those aircraft.

Another thing that doesnt make sense. If a E-175 is a "large small jet," what does that make a E-190 or 195? A "larger" small jet? Just pointing out the absurd, snooper

 

[EastUS]

Worse case for the company is they lose. then they just shut down a couple of RJ cities and cancel contracts for 17 RJs. Not sure how thats a win for us. No way I can see our furloughed pilots are going to be flying those aircraft.

I'd optimistically argue that it at least puts some pressure on to utilize mainline resources more, especially in areas that have fallen to exclusively RJ's over time. ....Gotta' start somewhere/etc.

 

[prechilill]

AH! So, we're back to your standard: "Waaah!! Double Waaah!!! Gimme my Nic!!??" Nevermind that it's not actually part of any established contract, and, imho, that will be an absurdly uphill battle to even attempt to frame for even your wildest wishes. The usual BS was in self assigned ethics, which is a great little westie sound bite to offer. I'd suggest though, for any future purposes, that you find some people that actually have any themselves to trumpet out such BS, or simply shut up about that particular fantasy. Whatever degree of ridiculous self righteousness you feel you posess, it doesn't help any involved with furlough situations, or actually anything else in the slightest. I think I'll stick with: "Get off the wholly BS, completely fantasized, and entirely self assigned high horse already..and consider doing something actually useful...for even once..."

Another paragraph of words with absolutely no meaning... Can somebody please translate into coherent English thought. Thanks.

Congratulations on your 3000th post!

 

[ussnark]

Can somebody please translate into coherent English thought. Thanks.

Most anyone can translate, whether you listen and/or comprehend would be the question.

the "nic" is simply a negotiating posture, your attorney's verbiage. It is not a contract. It is a ruling "binding" only on a special set of circumstances, most of which are changed or dead. A different set of circumstances "might" revive a sense of it, but the "nic", itself, is dead. Get used to it.

You might consider using your talents, even if a little meager, to help the situation rather than provide example after example of why ALPA is a failure.

I think that is what EastUS was trying to imply.

 

[tazz]

the "nic" is simply a negotiating posture, your attorney's verbiage.

You guys just keep taking Freund's words out of context. Looking forward to seeing how that works out for you.

 

[SegmentKing]

ALPA is gone, and so has any unfinished business it had. Nic was "unfinished" business.

Its like hiring an architect to design your home. The plans were never complete, and you fired the architect. That doesn't mean the new firm is picking up where the last guy left off.... nor is he required to.

 

[ussnark]

You guys just keep taking Freund's words out of context. Looking forward to seeing how that works out for you.

If you really wish to help, how about putting those words "back into context". Simply posting vague opinions ain't helping.

Perhaps a statement from the "west attorney" clarifying what he said?

 

[BoeingBoy]

the "nic" is simply a negotiating posture, your attorney's verbiage. It is not a contract.

ALPA is gone, and so has any unfinished business it had. Nic was "unfinished" business.

I guess the same could be said of the Shuttle seniority integration....unless someone can point out exactly where that ruling appears in a ratified contract...

Jim

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

ALPA is gone, and so has any unfinished business it had. Nic was "unfinished" business.

Correction: Nic IS unfinished business.

Reference: lawsuit filed Sept 4, 2008 in Phoenix by Army of Leonidas.

All you usapians can stomp feet ad ifinitem about this, but you're simply wearing out your shoes. The courts will eventually make you open your eyes and behave like adults.

On second thought - that behave like an adult thing? Probably not gonna happen.

 

[dariencc]

On second thought - that behave like an adult thing? Probably not gonna happen.

The Scourge of the Central Highlands has spoken.

 

[EastUS]

The Scourge of the Central Highlands has spoken.

Indeed. I'm surprised he's not too busy saving "hundreds of troops on the ground that maybe didn't get killed because myself.."/etc, in a "war experience", woven entirely from his complete fantasies. I suppose we should feel priveledged indeed, to have his sage council readily available as per "On second thought - that behave like an adult thing? Probably not gonna happen." 🙄

Lest I fail to offer proper homage to the self-assigned, vocally espoused, and clearly cherished west/NLC fantasy = "INTEGRITY MATTERS" :blink:

Some individuals are simply past all possible belief......All out west must be so very proud to have such a spokesperson, for the vast oceans of "Integrity" so clearly and universally embraced out there.....

Back to the real world.....

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

Stomp, stomp, stomp.

Wuff, wuff, wuff.

The dos amigas have spoken. But only in their usual atopical gibberish. Understandable, since their union keeps telling them fairy tales about the future - and they believe the fantasy.

We shall see what the court (i.e. reality) has to say about such matters.

 

[EastUS]

Stomp, stomp, stomp.

Wuff, wuff, wuff.

The dos amigas have spoken. But only in their usual atopical gibberish. Understandable, since their union keeps telling them fairy tales about the future - and they believe the fantasy.

This is just plain sad....... :blink: Speaking of fairy tales...How about some more of your entirely fantasized "heroics"..in some "war" you never even saw?

Suggested starting link for any readers not familiar with NLC's "heroic" past, and in need of a good laugh...however sad the source:
http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php...mp;#entry631266

 

[Megasnoop]

You guys just keep taking Freund's words out of context. Looking forward to seeing how that works out for you.

Tazz, you do a great job at recalling the past. Not sure how predictions will hold up.

Heres some context. If its not enough, anyone can get the entire Freund rebuttal off bigjetcity.com. This just one paragraph. snooper

1.Thus, the “arbitration award†Plaintiffs purportedly seek to “vacate†is in actuality the proposed pilot seniority list developed through ALPA’s Merger policy that ALPA will adopt as its bargaining position to be presented to the Company, but which (like a union bargaining position in any matter) the Company is not required to accept. Application, Ex.1 at 2,9 (ALPA will present to the company the merged seniority list developed through ALPA’s Merger policy arbitration procedures, and “ALPA will use all reasonable means at its disposal to compel the company to accept and implement the merged seniority listâ€). Plaintiffs seek review of this ALPA bargaining position developed through ALPA Merger Policy, and, while couching it in the terms of “vacating†and “arbitration,†the relief they actually seek is a review of the product of ALPA’s Merger Policy, and, ultimately, alteration of ALPA’s bargaining proposal to the company…Plaintiff’s Application to “vacate†an “arbitration award†that does not establish any enforceable seniority rights in a collective bargaining agreement with the Company, but which merely sets out ALPA’s bargaining position to be presented to the company...