West F/A's wants a seperate contract ?

[PHX-F/A]

Please tell us all what is FAIR and give us your version of FAIR merger policy...

... DP went to AFA and asked to change the national policy. Which was voted down 9 to 1. ...

Lets forget that U and UAL are the two largest groups of Flight Attendants that are represented by AFA. The vote was 9 to 1, lets take a look at who the other groups were

AFA Carriers

Omit PSA, and Piedmont as they would naturally align with US Airways. Omit Northwest because they were not in the group at the time, the list becomes a who's who of little airlines. Alaska being the only other major, they're still smaller than AWA.

I've always used the argument that if the table were turned and AWA were the larger, older carrier, of course the AWA F/A's would want date of hire. It's hypocritical to say, "Oh but this is different."

 

[Travelpro72]

Hmmm lets see. All the other little airlines seem to add up to some big numbers. Ohhhh ok, we have Airtran "not tiny", Alaska, Aloha, American Eagle, ATA, Hawaiian, Horizon, Mesa, Mesaba, Midwest and Spirit. Yeah, we really swayed the vote. I know it's water under the bridge but for those on EITHER side who find a problem with the C&B's that govern DOH should have looked for different job. We have been AFA on both sides for years. It is no SHOCKER to anyone when this came about. If US honored all the seniority from the airlines merged INTO it in the past why would HP have felt they deserved any different. Different union representation should have been sought if it was such an issue. It's done and we have all had it happen. I am on the east and have just under 10 years. Just HOW many of the west are senior to me considering you have been around what? 24 years or so? So that don't hold water with me. We are now in the fight for a GREAT contract. We have heard the comment about what management thinks of the east/west bickering. What does anyone REALLY think they think about it. Laughing I'm sure.... Management is probably saying to themselves, "Let them just self destruct themselves".

 

[BottomFeeder]

Lets forget that U and UAL are the two largest groups of Flight Attendants that are represented by AFA. The vote was 9 to 1, lets take a look at who the other groups were

AFA Carriers

Omit PSA, and Piedmont as they would naturally align with US Airways. Omit Northwest because they were not in the group at the time, the list becomes a who's who of little airlines. Alaska being the only other major, they're still smaller than AWA.

I've always used the argument that if the table were turned and AWA were the larger, older carrier, of course the AWA F/A's would want date of hire. It's hypocritical to say, "Oh but this is different."

Here is a news flash... the world does not rotate around Tempe.

AWA was AFA and like it or not the merger policy is DOH. You can call it anything you want but it is simply what it is.

 

[SKY HIGH]

Can we save the emotions for the fight we are going to have soon with management to get the wages and benefits we deserve? It is time to unite folks and let this stuff go.....

SKY HIGH states: So, someone needs to start a TOPIC on the F/A CONTRACT. What improvements do the EAST or WEST flight attendants want? Anyone?



Only stating an opinion

 

[aredeeyou22]

The WEST contract is FAR better - I have more flexibility and vacation days than East. I will happily keep my contract. And the East contract is up when? I would LOVE a SEPERATE CONTRACT.

uhh... right..... please tell me you and your thinking are the complete minority on the West, or we are in trouble. Big time. 🙄

PS: Tagging sounds great! 🙄 No wonder you are content!

Where is the outrage?

 

[whodoiworkfor]

uhh... right..... please tell me you and your thinking are the complete minority on the West, or we are in trouble. Big time. 🙄

PS: Tagging sounds great! 🙄 No wonder you are content!

Where is the outrage?

Most of us are NOT content, we want to work with you to get a better contract. Do not let a few idiots speak for all us west people. We want east pay, east scheduling and west vacation. We can do it!!!! Fight management for what we deserve!

 

[USstew23]

Most of us are NOT content, we want to work with you to get a better contract. Do not let a few idiots spoke for all us west people. We want east pay, east scheduling and west vacation. We can do it!!!! Fight management for what we deserve!

Well obviously this "FLYTCHICK" is just another misinformed individual who has never noticed anything outside of their "bubble" and is not aware that the world spins on its axis.

 

[Travelpro72]

She is probably also very junior. Keep your seperate contract and your tagging... YOUR kidding right? You don't wanna fight together to creat a great contract for all of US? I think your band of "sky is falling" thinkers is shrinking daily.

 

[hublablebla]

One question:

Why would the company give the FA's any better contract than the one they have when the one 4600 of them have is locked in until 2012? If you don't have the right to job actions then you are not going to get much better than what you have.

 

[whodoiworkfor]

One question:

Why would the company give the FA's any better contract than the one they have when the one 4600 of them have is locked in until 2012? If you don't have the right to job actions then you are not going to get much better than what you have.

WE (west and east) have the right to job action. Get your bag tags made that say COST NEUTRAL IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. Lets start sending Tempe a message!!!!

 

[BoeingBoy]

i would just throw out a word of caution. Terms such as "Chaos" and "job action" can have consequeces in the context of the RLA. Absent section 6 negotions, a job action (such as Chaos) is illegal. Following the company's rules/policies to the letter, regardless of how long it takes, is not a job action. Likewise, informational picketing is not a job action.

Only when the section 6 process, as specified in the RLA, is exhausted is a job action (like Chaos) legal. That's why I recommended in a much earlier post that the West section 6 option be kept open but also kept as a last resort (call it the nuclear option).

You can do many things to demonstrate your displeasure. But "organizing" a job action outside the section 6 context, especially if it appears that anyone from AFA is involved, can cause big trouble. Just ask the APA at American.....

Jim

 

[aredeeyou22]

One question:

Why would the company give the FA's any better contract than the one they have when the one 4600 of them have is locked in until 2012? If you don't have the right to job actions then you are not going to get much better than what you have.

What are you talking about? That contract was forced upon us in the very last minutes of our bankruptcy, when things could have very quickly shut down. People panicked, and the agreement was ratified. Everyone had their reasons how they voted....

Have you ever heard of "negotiating in good faith", hublablebla? We are a stronger, more stable carrier now, and should be afforded the ability to negotiate a more livable, fair contract. Stop worrying about what happened in the past, and let's work together, both East and West, to obtain a merged contract with the improvements we both deserve. It's about time....

Thank you.

 

[LCC_#1]

Of course nobody will strike unless it gets to that.

Meanwhile, to order a Tshirt to protest the company and cost neutral, go to www.zazzle.com, hit products, go to tshirts and look for One US Airways, One Contract, Cost Neutral Equals Chaos!!

 

[Bobby]

"QUOTE(N903AW @ Sep 7 2006, 10:43 PM) *

First of all, how dare you say that we don't care about our own over here. We know that our RVs are treated like garbage by scheduling and the company. Our reserves and new hires are treated with respect and dignity over here by their fellow crewmembers.

I hate to incite further argument, but I'd love to hear from an actual HP reserve on that comment.

I'll chime in on this one. The way I've been treated is starting to drive me away from this job which I enjoy very much so. I used to work for an express carrier on the East and I made more money there, and held a line. Here on the West side..scheduling is out right RUDE to you. There are 2 schedulers which have a reputation and need to be let go. I'm sorry, but its true. One of them has a record, was fired and then, magically rehired.

Secondly, tagging has go to go. Its ridiculous and insane when a trip sits in open time for HOURS upon HOURS and its used as a tag!

As for other crewmembers, I personally haven't had an issue with another crewmember mostly because I won't and DON'T take what they throw at me. However, many of my new hired friends have had may issues with senior crewmembers. Then we have the "senior" reserves who have issues with the new hires because "they are getting the good trips" well, you either voted in this reserve system or worked under it long enough to know how it works.. welcome to the ballgame. Stop complaining to us like we have something to do with it.

 

[hublablebla]

What are you talking about? That contract was forced upon us in the very last minutes of our bankruptcy, when things could have very quickly shut down. People panicked, and the agreement was ratified. Everyone had their reasons how they voted....

Have you ever heard of "negotiating in good faith", hublablebla? We are a stronger, more stable carrier now, and should be afforded the ability to negotiate a more livable, fair contract. Stop worrying about what happened in the past, and let's work together, both East and West, to obtain a merged contract with the improvements we both deserve. It's about time....

Thank you.

This is not the point. The point I am trying to make is that we are not in section 6 negotiations with the company and therefore have no right to job action, and therefore, should not expect much. If the East side really wants something better, then they should at least show thier willingness to let the West go back to section 6 talks with the company and let the company know they will support whatever job actions are necessary to create some leverage for our workgroup. Absent this, we have very little leverage, and in the mean time, the clock continues to tick and the company continues to save money.

Saying we SHOULD be able to negotiate a merged contract with the company is meaningless until they are forced to do something by our group. I think the company is very happy with acting like it is negotiating in good faith, but when it comes down to really getting something better, they are completely unmotivated.

I hope I am wrong, but I think the talks that are going on right now between the company and the FA's are meaningless.