Fleet Service Profit Sharing

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:angry: We in Fleet Service East are hearing that Canale has decided that 30% of Fleet Service profit sharing is to go to the West. I don't have any problem with the West getting profit sharing but not from the Fleet Service East pool. These are seperate monies only the East is entitled to because of their contract conscessions they gave in the past. We in the East should be entitled to vote on this issue. If we don't get the chance there are going to be alot of dues objectors, take it to the bank. The West of course will say they deserve profit sharing also but let Doggie give it from the companys money and not Fleet East's money. We know the West has given alot but you all must remember that the East has more years given and lost more in retrospect. This is a divide and conquer devisive move on the companies part because Doggie and his puppies can easily offer profit sharing on the companies part but to allow us to fight over an issue that should not be a West issue only helps the company weaken our group. You out West, put yourself in or shoes and I guarantee you would not be happy either. This is money out of my pocket not the companies pocket and nobody has a right to it but me. If you want to call that selfish than so be it. Nobody wants to give me some of their full pay sick days or some of their holidays etc,etc. After the transition agreement is signed then the West is entitled to the Fleet Service Profit Sharing.
P.S. What we are hearing is the West is not even in the transition meetings! I hope that is not true.
Now that I have stirred up the pot lets hear it boys and girls. :shock:
 
There are westies on the NC.

And if you become a dues objector you lose your right to vote on every matter including your contract.
 
There are westies on the NC.

And if you become a dues objector you lose your right to vote on every matter including your contract.

If Canale can make a decision with my money without my vote then what is the value in my vote? The Union has no right to give away my money without my say. We vote or I become a dues objector and so do a whole lot of other people! :angry:
 
You only harm yourself when you become an objector and I doubt Canale would do that without input from the membership.

He can't change the CBA at his whim.
 
You only harm yourself when you become an objector and I doubt Canale would do that without input from the membership.

He can't change the CBA at his whim.

Our Local President admited that Canale made that decision. Believe it! And I'm not going to get in an arguement with you. There are alot of things about our Union that would make peoples toes curl. We stopped drinking the koolaid. The honeymoon is over.
 
If the decision was made, it would have been announced all ready.

So back it up with facts instead of hearsay.
 
If the decision was made, it would have been announced all ready.

So back it up with facts instead of hearsay.

The hearsay was confirmed by our local president. Aparentely you can't read. Like I said I'm not going to argue with you so I think I'll just ignore you. You're always right anyway. And thanks for setting me straight Barbie on the West participation.

Just say NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Your local president is spreading hearsay, he does not speak for the district and nothing has been released by the district confirming what your local president said.

Please show me where on the District 141 web page it has been officially announced:

District 141

Let me educate you:

Main Entry: hear·say
Function: noun
Pronunciation: 'hir-"sA
: RUMOR
 
Your local president is spreading hearsay, he does not speak for the district and nothing has been released by the district confirming what your local president said.

Please show me where on the District 141 web page it has been officially announced:

District 141

Let me educate you:

Main Entry: hear·say
Function: noun
Pronunciation: 'hir-"sA
: RUMOR

Why is it when you say you talked to someone it supposed to taken as fact and yet when someone else says they talked to someone its hearsay?

Let me educate you:

hypocrite
One entry found for hypocrite.


Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: 'hi-p&-"krit
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritEs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
- hypocrite adjective
 
CT,

Glad to see all you can do is try to attack me instead of sticking to the topic at hand.

I do not post hearsay.

A local lodge President does not speak for the District and nothing to date has been released by District 141 on the matter at hand.

That is a FACT!
 
If you think you have suffered take a look at our payscale. I understand you have taken cuts but if it wasnt for us on the west you wouldnt have a job today because the company would have gone under.
 
If you think you have suffered take a look at our payscale. I understand you have taken cuts but if it wasnt for us on the west you wouldnt have a job today because the company would have gone under.
Guess you need to be educated:

How US Airways/America West merger got off the ground
Talks between airlines began in 2003, but didn't get serious until this year
Sunday, May 22, 2005

By Dan Fitzpatrick, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The on-and-off, 18-month courtship between US Airways and America West Airlines finally clicked into place May 12 in Washington, D.C., high above the floor of the MCI Center, where executives from both airlines had gathered in US Airways' skybox to watch a Washington Wizards playoff game.

Just minutes before tip-off, with the din of exploding fireworks filling the arena, US Airways adviser John Luth received an e-mail on his BlackBerry from Air Canada Chief Executive Officer Robert Milton. It confirmed that Air Canada's board had approved an investment in the combined airline -- the final piece of a $1.5 billion financing package needed to make the deal work.

Luth waved his BlackBerry, smiled and gave everyone the news. He congratulated Doug Parker and Bruce Lakefield, the chief executive officers of America West and US Airways, and broad smiles broke out throughout the box.

The merger was on.

Announced a week later at the Tempe, Ariz., headquarters of America West, the agreement between the nation's seventh-and eight-largest airlines paired a twice-bankrupt, East Coast legacy carrier with a younger, smaller, low-cost airline that does much of its flying on the West Coast.

If they can win a slew of antitrust, shareholder and bankruptcy court approvals, US Airways and America West together would surpass discount king Southwest Airlines in size, becoming the No. 6 carrier in the nation. Together, they also could usher in an era of consolidation in the troubled airline industry, which has lost more than $30 billion since 2001.

But there were several twists along the way, according to people familiar with the events. America West was not the only carrier to express interest in US Airways, nor was America West the only partner US Airways pursued.

The search for a deal began in the fall of 2003, when David Siegel was still US Airways' chief executive officer. Siegel had led US Airways through its first bankruptcy and wrested more than $1 billion in concessions from the company's labor unions. But even as the carrier completed a painful round of cost cuts and emerged from bankruptcy, Siegel knew US Airways was still too small and too inefficient to compete against discounters such as Southwest, which had already announced plans to start service in Philadelphia, a US Airways' hub.

Siegel was convinced that for US Airways to avoid the fate of failed carriers such as Eastern Airlines and Pan Am, both of which liquidated in the 1980s, he would have to bring US Airways' costs down further and position the airline for consolidation with another carrier. He explored several options.

Acquire United Airlines, the nation's No. 2 carrier. That option was code-named "Project Minnow," with US Airways as the small fish gobbling the bigger one.

Combine with British entrepreneur Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic, which was interested in US Airways' Washington-Boston-New York shuttle, along with slots and gates in the Northeast.

Split the airline in two and merge the Philadelphia and Charlotte, N.C., hub-and-spoke network with one carrier and its slots and gates in Washington, Boston and New York with another.

But US Airways ultimately rejected those options. United did not have any interest in a deal and was too distracted by its own struggles in bankruptcy. Virgin Atlantic wanted lots of US Airways assets -- gates, planes, airport equipment -- to help launch a new U.S. airline, but all it would offer in retrun was the Virgin brand name. US Airways also turned down several inquiries from other carriers -- including Southwest, JetBlue Airways and AirTran Airways -- about acquiring the company's assets but not its employees.

In the end, only America West wanted both.

Siegel made the initial connection. He knew Parker and Executive Vice President Scott Kirby at America West. Their first face-to-face meeting was in October 2003, over dinner in a Washington, D.C., restaurant. They were joined by then-US Airways Chief Financial Officer Neal Cohen.

But the talks ended several months later. At the request of US Airways' board, Siegel departed from the company in April 2004. According to Parker, the first round of discussions failed because US Airways' costs were still too high. Siegel had started a campaign to lower union costs further, but labor leaders refused to deal with him, contributing to his ouster.

Retired Lehman Bros. executive Bruce Lakefield, a friend of US Airways chairman David Bronner, replaced Siegel and sought to save US Airways. He asked unions to help with another round of concessions. When that failed, Lakefield took the company into bankruptcy again and squeezed another $1 billion in concessions from the unions, using the power of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court to hammer home new contracts modeled after America West's labor agreements.

In January, with fuel prices at a record high and doubts aired about US Airways' survival after its Christmas baggage meltdown in Philadelphia, Lakefield picked up the phone and called Parker, suggesting that "maybe we should begin those talks again," according to Parker.

But America West did not have enough cash to lift US Airways out of bankruptcy. It was up to Luth, the US Airways adviser, to find enough investment money to piece the deal together and give the combined company a fighting chance to thrive in the battered airline industry.

Luth and US Airways had serious discussions with more than a dozen investors. They all requested shared participation in a merged airline -- no one wanted to take on all the risk. The Retirement Systems of Alabama, which rescued US Airways from its first bankruptcy in 2003 with a $240 million investment, stands to lose it all if US Airways emerges from bankruptcy and issues new stock.

Luth went after the companies that had something to gain from an investment in US Airways and America West. Aircraft maker Airbus agreed to provide $250 million in exchange for US Airways' pledge to buy dozens of A320 jets in the future. Regional commuter carrier Air Wisconsin Airlines made a $125 million investment in exchange for a jet services partnership. The Appleton, Wis.-based airline will fly for the merged carrier on a contract basis.

Credit card companies may provide $300 million in order to reach new customers. And once-bankrupt Air Canada offered $75 million, good for a 7 percent stake in the new company, in exchange for the rights to bid on the maintenance contract for the new carrier's fleet of 361 jets.

Air Canada was the last in line.


Once its approval came last Thursday, employees at both airlines scrambled to obtain approval from their boards of directors. US Airways' directors signed off Wednesday, over the telephone. America West's board approved it Thursday, in Tempe.


Labor leaders were briefed, and a press release was sent out. Parker and Lakefield spent much of Thursday night explaining the deal to reporters before Lakefield took a red-eye flight back to Washington. Parker, who has been tapped to lead the merged airline, met with employees and went home. Before going to bed, he explained the deal in one final live shot with local TV, from his house.