Who To Commend For The Profit?

[Hopeful]

THANK THE EMPLOYEES FOR THEIR SACRFICIES!

 

[FWAAA]

How about the customers who handed the company over $5 billion in the second quarter for transportation?

 

[High Speed Steel]

I do agree that the sacrifices we the employees have made have contributed to the "bottom line", in an aide to return the company to the black ink instead of the red. This prooves that our decisions to select survival are paying off!

 

[TWU informer]

I do agree that the sacrifices we the employees have made have contributed to the "bottom line",  in an aide to return the company to the black ink instead of the red. This prooves that our decisions to select survival are paying off!

[post="283032"][/post]​

"Paying Off"?

Explain how you are getting paid off in detail please?

Log into E-Pays and show me your "pay-off"?

 

[eolesen]

What a dumb set of answers for the poll. The obvious answer is both, but some of you are simply too blinded by hate to realize it.

Arpey has done something that none of his predecessors since CR Smith have been able to accomplish -- finding a way of working together with labor as opposed to the adversarial relationships which defined the Crandall and Carty era.

If management and labor are indeed partnering, that just takes away from the ability of some to use fear/uncertainty/doubt used to perpetuate splits within the various workgroups.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

Arpey should have been fired along with Carty for buying bankrupt TWA. That purchase put AA 5,000,000,000+ more in debt and is still costing AA even more today. Arpey is no hero! :rant:

 

[sky_shadow]

Arpey should have been fired along with Carty for buying bankrupt TWA. That purchase put AA 5,000,000,000+ more in debt and is still costing AA even more today. Arpey is no hero! :rant:

[post="283065"][/post]​

Not sure I can agree with you about the TWA buy out. Remember way back when UAL was trying like mad to purchase Us Airways and fighting with the goverment approval? American Airlines just did the famous Texas 2 step and became the Worlds Largest Airline...TWA had alot to offer great international routes and some domectic, Yes, with a huge price tag attached, but who knew 9/11 would happen then SARS and now Fuel....In the airline industry its all about being the biggest and the best..and it might of worked if not for 9/11..

I am proud of my former employeer and all the employees for pulling it together...They made a PROFIT.....when so many others cant...

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Arpey has done something that none of his predecessors since CR Smith have been able to accomplish -- finding a way of working together with labor as opposed to the adversarial relationships which defined the Crandall and Carty era.

Unfortunately, Arpey has to pick up the pieces. However, the adversarial relationships you cite go back much farther than that. Remember Charlie Pasciuto? He was the bad cop to CR Smith's good cop.

 

[scorpian]

If management and labor are indeed partnering, that just takes away from the ability of some to use fear/uncertainty/doubt used to perpetuate splits within the various workgroups.


Former M this statement is such an oxymoron especially when considering the twu because this organization depends on the fear campaign to keep its members in check. When using the term labor in respect to the twu your actually speaking from the prospective of just 2 or 3 people imposing the fear psychology to produce the desired outcome for the company but hey if I were running a corporation the twu would be my union of choice hands down.

 

[Bob Owens]

I do agree that the sacrifices we the employees have made have contributed to the "bottom line",  in an aide to return the company to the black ink instead of the red. This prooves that our decisions to select survival are paying off!

[post="283032"][/post]​

Paying off for American Airlines and the customers who get where they are going for less than it would cost to drive maybe, but not for the employees who are working more for less.

 

[Bob Owens]

Not sure I can agree with you about the TWA buy out. Remember way back when UAL was trying like mad to purchase Us Airways and fighting with the goverment approval? American Airlines just did the famous Texas 2 step and became the Worlds Largest Airline...TWA had alot to offer great international routes and some domectic, Yes, with a huge price tag attached, but who knew 9/11 would happen then SARS and now Fuel....In the airline industry its all about being the biggest and the best..and it might of worked if not for 9/11..

I am proud of my former employeer and all the employees for pulling it together...They made a PROFIT.....when so many others cant...

[post="283137"][/post]​

SARS? How many Asian routes did we get from TWA?

AS far as being proud of the profit what's there to be proud of? I lost over $40,000 in order to make that profit happpen. In order for me to get back what I have to sacrifice the stock would have to go to over $300/share. Forget profit sharing, its a joke. ZERO dollars shared for the first $500 million then only a small percentage up to a cap that guarantees that no matter how profitable the company is we can never recover our losses.

 

[Bob Owens]

If management and labor are indeed partnering, that just takes away from the ability of some to use fear/uncertainty/doubt used to perpetuate splits within the various workgroups.

[post="283054"][/post]​

Like the TWU and management?


While Jim Little may be under Arpeys desk it doesnt mean that all labor is. You should remember that the members did not pick Little, he was appointed by someone else that the members did not pick so Little is not a true representative of the workers.

You may want to check with HR to see that there is more strife not only between the workgroups but even within the workgroups. I see and hear of it all the time.

While Arpey and Little are buddy-buddy(which is not suprising since Little came from management, as did his father in law) the workforce is demoralized.

 

[eolesen]

You may want to check with HR to see that there is more strife not only between the workgroups but even within the workgroups. I see and hear of it all the time.

[post="283216"][/post]​

It's no wonder you only see strife -- you're always seeking it out.

Based on the tone of your posts over the past two years, you don't let go of a grudge, regardless how small, and you never find anything positive to say.

Arpey can't fix bitter. Neither can any labor organization, be it industrial or trade.

 

[Hopeful]

It's no wonder you only see strife -- you're always seeking it out.

Based on the tone of your posts over the past two years, you don't let go of a grudge, regardless how small, and you never find anything positive to say.

Arpey can't fix bitter. Neither can any labor organization, be it industrial or trade.

[post="283292"][/post]​

a GRUDGE???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

YOU CALL $20,000 PER YEAR CUTS IN PAY, BENEFITS, AND WORK RULES A GRUDGE????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


Former ModerAAtor, keep drinking the KOOL AID that ARPEY and CO. pour for you! Like Arpey said, the concessions are all in the past!

Funny, I see the pain in EPAYS every week!

 

[aafsc]

Arpey should have been fired along with Carty for buying bankrupt TWA. That purchase put AA 5,000,000,000+ more in debt and is still costing AA even more today. Arpey is no hero! :rant:

[post="283065"][/post]​

Princess, in my opinion, I don't think that Arpey was crazy about Carty's decision to do the TWA deal. It has been said that some of the others in senior management at the time also were not crazy about the idea. And we all know Crandall's views pertaining to this matter. But since Carty was the CEO at the time, what he said went as far as these types of decisions go. Since Arpey took over, he has tried to fix Carty's screwups. He has put the seats back in the airplanes and he has drastically downsized the STL hub and MCI base. These were necessary business decisions on Arpeys part that unfortunately put about 75% of the TWAers on the street. If Carty was still here, he probably would not have put the seats back in and not downsized STL and MCI because he would have been admitting he made a mistake and I don't think his ego would have allowed that. I feel if Carty was still here, our past losses would have been greater and instead of showing a $58 million profit this quarter, we would have had another record loss. As far as why we are profitable this quarter, I would say that the paycuts account for about 90% of it. The other 10% is because management has made many changes to the operation. As I said earlier, they have put seats back in the planes and downsized MCI and STL as well as made scheduling changes in terms of certain aircraft types only in specific cities, depeaking, keeping the same crews with the same plane all day, and significant fuel savings. I hate the concessions but at least AA management has done a LOT more in squeezing non-labor cost savings out of the operation than other airline managements have done. As far as ramp, we are doing better than most of the others (US, UA, DL, CO) in terms of retaining pay, scope, pensions, and other retirement benefits. $58 million is pretty good considering very low ticket prices and very high fuel costs.