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Do AA employees want to merge with US Airways?


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The worst sort of business is one that grows rapidly, requires significant capital to engender the growth, and then earns little or no money. Think airlines. Here a durable competitive advantage has proven elusive ever since the days of the Wright Brothers. Indeed, if a farsighted capitalist had been present at Kitty Hawk, he would have done his successors a huge favor by shooting Orville down.

Warren Buffet

See a quick shot to the head is long overdue : )
 
Rumors are coming out that tomorrow they will announce US Airways to Take over AA... All three unions are onboard! In a way, I am so sick of AA management, I hope it does go thru, is really successful long term and Horton and friends get the boot! They can cry all they want to the senators..... They are not going to do crap to keep this from going thru.

I too would like to see this happen. I know that very few are willing to give Parker any credit, but they need to realize that he has not had a lot to work with so far. US was a mess years before he got involved, sadly dating back as far as the PS & PI mergers.
Uncle Ed put the mergers together with US/PI/PS, and then bailed out soon afterwards. IMO, he should have stayed onboard a bit longer to see everything thru, but he failed to do so. It was all down hill from then on with CEO after CEO, with none ever having any direction for the airline. Some were clueless, some just there to spruce it up for a sale.
I think that if this is done properly, Parker will have accomplished his mission, and will have a strong competitive airline for once.
Don't get me wrong, I do feel that he is more of a numbers guy who can pull financing out of his hat when needed, and not the best on the operational end. I'm sure that he will surround himself with a group capable of running a good airline. I will be the fist to admit that AA has always been at the top with marketing and inventory control/pricing, and this will be a big plus in comparison to what US has had.
 
Rumors are coming out that tomorrow they will announce US Airways to Take over AA... All three unions are onboard! In a way, I am so sick of AA management, I hope it does go thru, is really successful long term and Horton and friends get the boot! They can cry all they want to the senators..... They are not going to do crap to keep this from going thru.
 
"LET'S NOT START JERKING EACH OTHER OFF JUST YET, GENTLEMEN."

Even if this rumor were true, is our union leadership that naive to trust ANYONE?



Do our union leaders think this will save the 14000 jobs at AA?
Save AA OH when LCC contracts out nearly 50%
Pay AA pilots their $1,000,000.00+ retirement checks and not LCC pilots?

Yea LCC is goingto keep 3 OH bases at AA fully staffed....YA<<RIGHT!

Nobody is jerking anybody but good to know where your mind is at. :blink: Nobody is excited either way nor did we express an opinion positve or negative about a merger. Just throwing a rumor out here and seeing if anyone else had heard the same.
Don't forget, our union will go along with any plan that saves the max number of dues payers. That's not naivety, that's their business plan.
 
Nobody is jerking anybody but good to know where your mind is at. :blink: Nobody is excited either way nor did we express an opinion positve or negative about a merger. Just throwing a rumor out here and seeing if anyone else had heard the same.
Don't forget, our union will go along with any plan that saves the max number of dues payers. That's not naivety, that's their business plan.
I don't think this is a rumor . I have a strong feeling this is very true .
 
There are a lot of us that are curious what would be the basis for this type of merger proposal? AMR just gained 6 more months of exclusivity to file a Plan of Reorg and there is no evidence that any groups on the UCC other than labor are interested in a merger or are even interested in terminating the company's right to maintain exclusivity.
Given that it has been fully expected that labor would fight the 1113 process (which is happening), even going so far as supporing a merger if that meant avoiding the reality of the 1113 process, is all this faith in this announcement really just another attempt to believe what one wants to believe - while denying reality?

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We can wait and see what actually happens in court - even though there is an agenda on which this item is not scheduled - but it might be wise for some people to consider the framework that exists around the BK process and how this rumor fits into none of that.
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There might be a time when AMR is forced to consider competing bids... this week is just not one of them.
 
There are a lot of us that are curious what would be the basis for this type of merger proposal? AMR just gained 6 more months of exclusivity to file a Plan of Reorg and there is no evidence that any groups on the UCC other than labor are interested in a merger or are even interested in terminating the company's right to maintain exclusivity.
Given that it has been fully expected that labor would fight the 1113 process (which is happening), even going so far as supporing a merger if that meant avoiding the reality of the 1113 process, is all this faith in this announcement really just another attempt to believe what one wants to believe - while denying reality?

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We can wait and see what actually happens in court - even though there is an agenda on which this item is not scheduled - but it might be wise for some people to consider the framework that exists around the BK process and how this rumor fits into none of that.
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There might be a time when AMR is forced to consider competing bids... this week is just not one of them.
I was waiting for you to chime in my friend .. We shall wait and see .. Don't worry I have a gift card in hand if I am wrong Lol !
 
Been thru this 3 times and every time is the same! T.S.I.D. !



The Silence ( from the top) is Deafening !!
 
I don't see US making any announcements. But it is possible that the UCC could do so. That door was opened up by Judge Lane. If the UCC can bring an amiable (to them) bid forward, they could effectively lock DL out from making a competing bid.

There are a lot of us that are curious what would be the basis for this type of merger proposal? AMR just gained 6 more months of exclusivity to file a Plan of Reorg and there is no evidence that any groups on the UCC other than labor are interested in a merger or are even interested in terminating the company's right to maintain exclusivity.

There's no evidence?... It might take campaign promises and horse trading on a level that even Obama would blush, but there's definitely evidence that there are constituencies in the UCC who would be in favor of a merger.

For starters, how can you not see where HP would back a merger? They have the PSS business under contract at both carriers, and won't want to put it into play anymore than it already might be with AA allegedly backing away from the yet-to-be-developed Jetstream platform. A deal with HP would probably keep that alive in the short term. Whether or not they'd move towards Shares in the interim is another discussion.

PBGC? So far, the indications are that they'll back anyone who agrees to keep the pensions frozen as opposed to distress terminated. They don't care who writes the checks into the pension funds -- as long as it isn't their money.

That could very well leave Boeing and the banks in the minority.

The pm-US and pm-HP fleets will need renewal at some point (Airbii wear out faster than Boeings), so all Parker has to do is promise Boeing an opportunity to edge out Airbus for that order.

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Here's my concern with that type of a scenario is this --- I'm still having flashbacks of the "Lorenzo is better than Icahn" decision that Eastern's unions made, and the "Burr is better than Lorenzo" decision made by Frontier 1's unions...

I see it as a bit shortsided to simply bet on "anyone but the incumbent" when your career is concerned.

That said, Scott Kirby has proven it's possible to make money off the sh*t sandwich US has for a network. There are some who feel that giving him the ability to tinker with a real network and real hubs, he'd get similar results. That's certainly plausible.

Apparently, there's also growing consensus in the banking community that US's management team is a better bet.

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If (and this is a pretty big if) the UCC decides that it's worth considering, AA will not have a lot of choices in the matter but to let the due dilligence go forward.
 
There are a lot of us that are curious what would be the basis for this type of merger proposal? AMR just gained 6 more months of exclusivity to file a Plan of Reorg and there is no evidence that any groups on the UCC other than labor are interested in a merger or are even interested in terminating the company's right to maintain exclusivity.
Given that it has been fully expected that labor would fight the 1113 process (which is happening), even going so far as supporing a merger if that meant avoiding the reality of the 1113 process, is all this faith in this announcement really just another attempt to believe what one wants to believe - while denying reality?

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We can wait and see what actually happens in court - even though there is an agenda on which this item is not scheduled - but it might be wise for some people to consider the framework that exists around the BK process and how this rumor fits into none of that.
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There might be a time when AMR is forced to consider competing bids... this week is just not one of them.
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I know somebody that's not going to get any sleep tonight....
This could be your worst nightmare..
I realize that nothing is a done deal at this point, and anything can happen.
You never did explain your loyalty to Delta, along with your dislike for any others that try to improve themselves.
 
US stock is trading at $ 8.13 a share . Higher than normal . Might mean something , might not . Who knows ?
 
US stock is trading at $ 8.13 a share . Higher than normal . Might mean something , might not . Who knows ?


Well there is an earning report due on the 24th, every report I see on Schwab back to Oct 06 has been a surprise report ^ $$ I'm in.
 
UA and DL were both up today as oil prices moderated last week and investors noticed. As a completely un-hedged airline, LCC should respond upward when oil prices decline, as LCC has the most to gain from lower oil prices.
 
UA and DL were both up today as oil prices moderated last week and investors noticed. As a completely un-hedged airline, LCC should respond upward when oil prices decline, as LCC has the most to gain from lower oil prices.
Thanks, looking forward to working with you soon !
 
Did the pilots and flight attendants at US Airways agree to giving up the snap back clause in their contracts?
 

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