Who wants a merger with US?

[robbedagain]

WT i remember a while back that analyst said that US/HP was largely a success despite the pilot ongoing fighting and the unresolved contracts with the F/As that despite the operationally suffering but still ekking out profits As far as DL/NW it was a no brainer when Richard left NW to DL that was a done deal plus both companies filing ch11 same day.

 

[737823]

NW was many things. "Sloppy" wasn't one of them.

GFY

Let's see they flew (still fly) 35 year old DC-9s, ancient 747s, limited Caribbean and South America presence, and bitter unions. Sure they had a great presence and recognition in Asia and awesome DTW facilities but not much else. But I guess DL took all the good parts, decertified the unions, cut jobs in MN and moved them to ATL so it's not all bad.

Josh

 

[chucky]

If US and AA do merge it will be interesting to see what DL's next move will be, ALaska? JetBlue? Hawaiian?

p.s. does this merger make AA the official ugly girl at the dance? B)

 

[wings396]

what is a "sloppy" airline? NW had identical labor CASMs to DL's when they merged.... NW didn't have the mass necessary to compete on a global scale and didn't have the fleet diversity to do things DL could do but NW did what it did in its corner of the world well.
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DL/NW works well because DL was gutsy enough to take on a difficult deal and executed the merger nearly flawlessly, gaining a competitive edge that DL continues to benefit from. DL is INVESTING in the system NW built, as evidenced by the refurbs of the 744s and the new flights from DTW-Asia and S. America.
In all honesty, no one else has done a merge of the scope as DL-NW as well as DL did with respect to both revenues and costs, and that includes US, which has yet to obtain the benefits it promised either from its merger or its BK.
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But in all of the excitement of announcing these term sheets, there is still no word how AA's creditors will fare.
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And remember that AA unions are not creditors up to this point because the company has not cut anything - the original CBAs remain in effect.
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what this process could very well do is force the creditors committee - all of them, not just labor - to consider other alternatives to an AMR standalone plan- but one way or the other, AMR will not make any decision to merge with US without considering plans from other potential bidders and the benefit that the creditors will gain from each plan.



Keep on yakkin' WT. You have been in denial that things would progress even this far. Given that nothing is a done deal,but the wheels are in motion. I have wanted this to happen, and I hope that it all goes thru. My primary concern is for solid and secure future for all of those that depend on a paycheck from both AA & US to support their families. A bunch of page long jibber-jabber from a guy who has no involvement in either Airline is meaningless to say the least. Being an "Arm-chair" analyst is getting old for most of the readers of this site. Go put an application in with Delta already, or ask your brother if he can get you in at AA. You won't be able to digest this until you see the common name on the sides of the aircraft.
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In other words, US could be accelerating the process in which AMR will end up in someone else's arms.

 

[wings396]

Keep on yakkin' WT. You have been in denial that things would progress even this far. Given that nothing is a done deal,but the wheels are in motion. I have wanted this to happen, and I hope that it all goes thru. My primary concern is for solid and secure future for all of those that depend on a paycheck from both AA & US to support their families. A bunch of page long jibber-jabber from a guy who has no involvement in either Airline is meaningless to say the least. Being an "Arm-chair" analyst is getting old for most of the readers of this site. Go put an application in with Delta already, or ask your brother if he can get you in at AA. You won't be able to digest this until you see the common name on the sides of the aircraft.
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"In other words, US could be accelerating the process in which AMR will end up in someone else's arms"

Delta's I presume?..

 

[700UW]

Let's see they flew (still fly) 35 year old DC-9s, ancient 747s, limited Caribbean and South America presence, and bitter unions. Sure they had a great presence and recognition in Asia and awesome DTW facilities but not much else. But I guess DL took all the good parts, decertified the unions, cut jobs in MN and moved them to ATL so it's not all bad.

Josh

Ancient?

DL has 15 747s with an average age of 18.8 years. of 97 airlines operating this type of aircraft Delta Airlines ranks 52.

Keep trying.

And DL is in the middle of a complete cabin overhaul on the 747s.

 

[nycbusdriver]

WT i remember a while back that analyst said that US/HP was largely a success despite the pilot ongoing fighting and the unresolved contracts with the F/As that despite the operationally suffering but still ekking out profits As far as DL/NW it was a no brainer when Richard left NW to DL that was a done deal plus both companies filing ch11 same day.

Yes, they are eking out a profit on the backs of their employees. If they compensated the pilots and flight attendant like DL, UA, or even JB, they might be breaking even. Of course, the operation runs well, but that is due to the consummate professionalism of the front line employees. We know that the customers pay our meager salaries, and it's unfair (and unwise) to make them any more miserable than the bare bones service that the company tosses at them.

 

[Hopeful]

WHO WOULD LIKE TO WAGER AT A BET THAT THE 6000+ JOBS PARKER IS PROMISING TO SAVE OUT OF THE 13000 WILL NOT INCLUDE MECHANICS AND RELATED?

IS THE TWU LEADERSHIP THAT NAIVE INTO THINKING THAT LCC IS GOING TO OUTSOURCE LESS THAN THE CURRENT 50%

I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE UNION LEADERSHIP EXACTLY WHAT IS BEING PROMISED BY PARKER...

 

[iluvaa]

Thats funny stuff man, you really think the TWU will tell us that. It's private secret stuff that us little people don't need to know

 

[Hopeful]

Thats funny stuff man, you really think the TWU will tell us that. It's private secret stuff that us little people don't need to know

EXACTLY my point....All secret stuff with your furures in the hands of UNELECTED self serving union leaders.

Again I will ask....
Is LCC going to save OH?
Are the pilots still going to get $1,000,000.00+ retirement checks?

TWU?????????????????????WHERE ARE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU?

 

[WorldTraveler]

NW was many things. "Sloppy" wasn't one of them.

thank you.

Let's see they flew (still fly) 35 year old DC-9s, ancient 747s, limited Caribbean and South America presence, and bitter unions. Sure they had a great presence and recognition in Asia and awesome DTW facilities but not much else. But I guess DL took all the good parts, decertified the unions, cut jobs in MN and moved them to ATL so it's not all bad.

Josh

and the age of aircraft matters how? What matters is fuel efficiency and ownership and operating costs and that is why DL is acquiring MD90s and working on a 717 deal since no one builds planes that last as well as McDonnell-Douglas aircraft do while everyone else is enamored with "NEW" - even though yesteryear's models work just fine.
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NW provided DL with the strongest market position in the midwest - yes far stronger than AA or UA, the strongest TPAC presence from Japan of any carrier on either side of the Pacific, and a workforce that turned NW around after it was raped by investors in the leveraged buyout.
NW was smaller than the AA, DL, and UA's of the world but it was in no way inferior. A big reason why DL has succeeded as well as it has is because NW and its people had a strong, viable company that they merged very well with Delta.

wings,
you think that because US has stuck its nose into AA's BK tent that they have won the merger - but you fail to address how US will overcome the far larger issues of convincing the creditors that US' plan is the best they could possibly receive... and I can assure you it won't be.
Doesn't matter whether it involves DL or not.. the fact remains that US is trying a process outside of the way BK works in an attempt to gain a first mover advantage in a process where anyone can come along and top US' proposal - and where the creditors, of which labor is a small part, are the ones who have the final say.
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US' plan actually will make it harder for labor to have influence over the entire creditors' committee because labor's losses will be reduced - but the rest will continue to remain the same.
In the euphoria of this day, don't forget those other creditors aren't going to do something that helps labor but hurts their own interests.

 

[777 / 767 / 757 Love]

<_< ------- As one who has seen the ugly heads of both Unions, I would "almost " prefer going it alone!

The APA membership agreed with you when this became a dog fight way back between which union would represent AA pilots. Pretty sure membership back then made the right decision.

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

 

[Buck]

What is the percentage of outsourcing at USAirways?

How many mechanics does USAirways have?

Do you really believe that the TWU would do anything that did not guarantee them their revenue stream?

 

[iluvaa]

The APA membership agreed with you when this became a dog fight way back between which union would represent AA pilots. Pretty sure membership back then made the right decision.

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

you are far from a regular flier you scream managment lackie paid to come on here and post

dont worry your not alone there are already a few here but i see your task is the merger

 

[Mrs. McFly]

What is the percentage of outsourcing at USAirways?

How many mechanics does USAirways have?

Do you really believe that the TWU would do anything that did not guarantee them their revenue stream?

Very good questions. Seriously, combining both US and AA groups is not going to alleviate much. I heard there is a 50% threshold so where does that leave AA?