Why Fly AA

[B.O.B.]

The real question is; what would "real" tickets have cost? LH used to advertise ridiculously low prices out of the west coast.....

They stil do! I would buy a ticket on LH before trying to non-rev on AA or ZED fare it.

 

[FWAAA]

The real question is; what would "real" tickets have cost? LH used to advertise ridiculously low prices out of the west coast.....

Here's what LH and AA fares look like for Dec 14 departure:

SLXSPY1E LH S Round-Trip 367.00 (USD)
SLX7E3D AA S Round-Trip 405.00 (USD)
SLXSNY1E LH S Round-Trip 408.00 (USD)
NLXAA3U AA N Round-Trip 410.00 (USD)
NLXAA3N AA N Round-Trip 410.00 (USD)
SLXSPY4E LH S Round-Trip 419.00 (USD)
SLWSPY4E LH S Round-Trip 444.00 (USD)
SLW7E3D AA S Round-Trip 445.00 (USD)
NLWAA3N AA N Round-Trip 450.00 (USD)
SLWSNY1E LH S Round-Trip 458.00 (USD)
NLWAA3U AA N Round-Trip 470.00 (USD)
SLX7E3U AA S Round-Trip 528.00 (USD)
SLX0E1F AA S Round-Trip 539.00 (USD)
SLW0E1F AA S Round-Trip 564.00 (USD)
SLW7E3U AA S Round-Trip 578.00 (USD)
HKXANE LH H Round-Trip 1046.00 (USD)
HKWANE LH H Round-Trip 1106.00 (USD)
MKXAPE LH M Round-Trip 1672.00 (USD)
MKWAPE LH M Round-Trip 1732.00 (USD)
HLAPEX AA H Round-Trip 1772.00 (USD)
HPAPEX AA H Round-Trip 2089.00 (USD)
MEE LH M Round-Trip 2367.00 (USD)
HEE AA H Round-Trip 2507.00 (USD)
BEE LH B Round-Trip 2828.00 (USD)
BEE AA B Round-Trip 2948.00 (USD)
Y LH Y One-Way 2297.00 (USD)
Y AA Y One-Way 2357.00 (USD)
CXR LH C Round-Trip 7632.00 (USD)
JR AA J Round-Trip 7752.00 (USD)
CWR LH C Round-Trip 8132.00 (USD)
CX LH C One-Way 4148.00 (USD)
J AA J One-Way 4208.00 (USD)
CW LH C One-Way 4398.00 (USD)
FR LH F Round-Trip 10431.00 (USD)
FR AA F Round-Trip 10551.00 (USD)
F LH F One-Way 5459.00 (USD)
F AA F One-Way 5519.00 (USD)

There's some cheap fares there. Of course, nothing like $150 - $200 all in.

 

[777 fixer]

An AMT with wife and child is 600 dollars round trip MIA to Frankfurt
That is with one stop in either DFW or Chicago.

MIA Frankfurt on lufthansa nonstop 450 dollars round trip for the same three people

So needless to say the AMT went with Lufthansa

But not to worry AA knows why you fly

What would you do

Some more reading
http://workdayminnesota.org/view_article.p...2c8f5b97bc4b02f

Guys like you amaze me. You go on and on about wages, concessions, how people don't care if a company sends jobs overseas as long as they get a good price. Then you turn around and fly on a foriegn carrier just so you could save $150.

When someone calls you on it you try and go the "AA screwing over it's employees" route. Well the very fact that you can afford a euorpean vacation tells me things must not be as bad as you make them out to be. Afterall, Europe is not a cheap place to vacation, especially when considering the excahnge rates.

Let me ask you this, how many of the striking AMT's at NWA can afford a european vacation? Or how many of the good folks over at UAL can afford one considering their retirement has been riped to shreds and the ESOP deal is now worthless? If I were a striking AMT at NWA or a UAL employee reading your tirade about how you got AA "screws" it's employees when it comes to non-rev travel I would have little sympathy. Actually I would think you were a bit sanctimonious, among other things.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Guys like you amaze me. You go on and on about wages, concessions, how people don't care if a company sends jobs overseas as long as they get a good price. Then you turn around and fly on a foriegn carrier just so you could save $150.

When someone calls you on it you try and go the "AA screwing over it's employees" route. Well the very fact that you can afford a euorpean vacation tells me things must not be as bad as you make them out to be. Afterall, Europe is not a cheap place to vacation, especially when considering the excahnge rates.

Let me ask you this, how many of the striking AMT's at NWA can afford a european vacation? Or how many of the good folks over at UAL can afford one considering their retirement has been riped to shreds and the ESOP deal is now worthless? If I were a striking AMT at NWA or a UAL employee reading your tirade about how you got AA "screws" it's employees when it comes to non-rev travel I would have little sympathy. Actually I would think you were a bit sanctimonious, among other things.

Well smart ass considering the AMT is going over there for his grandmothers birthday and to let her see thier newborn daughter I dont think it will cost very much to get picked up at the airport and stay will grandma for free.

And considering the screwing we got I would fly another carrier if it were cheaper and also a direct flight.
Why pay more for the same thing that sounds smart.
Unless of course you didnt take a pay cut like the rest of us

So go tell your story to some one who gives a rats arse

 

[777 fixer]

Well smart ass considering the AMT is going over there for his grandmothers birthday and to let her see thier newborn daughter I dont think it will cost very much to get picked up at the airport and stay will grandma for free.

And considering the screwing we got I would fly another carrier if it were cheaper and also a direct flight.
Why pay more for the same thing that sounds smart.
Unless of course you didnt take a pay cut like the rest of us

So go tell your story to some one who gives a rats arse

Well things must not be that bad if you can afford to take your daughter to see her grandmother. Let me modify my previous question. Would a striking AMT at NWA have the money to take such at trip? Rather simple question.

Since you seem to be convinced that AA AMT's have gotten it much worse than others here's a suggestion. Quit, you are obviously so unhappy, bitter, angry that you are willing to cut your nose off to spite your face. Honestly, all that anger you are carrying around is not healthy. Do youself a favor and move on before you give yourself a stroke. However I have a feeling your one of those guys who loves to complain but will do nothing to change their situation.

 

[CapnCockroach]

...well, once you've been part of the industry, then "cut loose" for whatever reason, you go from being a non-rev'er to being a "consumer".

To us "consumers", price (and when comparing US Carriers against foreign Carriers), quality of service is everything.

I now sincerely hope for cabotage, whereas I really used to fear it.

Lets face it. Foreign is better.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Well things must not be that bad if you can afford to take your daughter to see her grandmother. Let me modify my previous question. Would a striking AMT at NWA have the money to take such at trip? Rather simple question.

Since you seem to be convinced that AA AMT's have gotten it much worse than others here's a suggestion. Quit, you are obviously so unhappy, bitter, angry that you are willing to cut your nose off to spite your face. Honestly, all that anger you are carrying around is not healthy. Do youself a favor and move on before you give yourself a stroke. However I have a feeling your one of those guys who loves to complain but will do nothing to change their situation.

Let me modify my previous question. Would a striking AMT at NWA have the money to take such at trip? Rather simple question.


probably not. depending on his or her financial situation.


Since you seem to be convinced that AA AMT's have gotten it much worse than others here's a suggestion.

Never said we had it any worse than any one else. That is a statement you thought up all on your own


Quit, you are obviously so unhappy, bitter, angry that you are willing to cut your nose off to spite your face.


If you call flying another carrier for less money than AA charges its own employees to non rev. Then you are the fool. :blink:


Honestly, all that anger you are carrying around is not healthy

Believe me kid I am far from angry. I just post the truth and it seems to hurt you 😀

 

[TWAnr]

D1/D2- 5 YEARS EMPLOYEE/RETIREE/SPOUSES/DOMESTIC PARTNER/
DEP CHILD/REGISTERED COMPANION
AIRPORT	 MILES	F-COST	 J-COST	Y-COST   TRIP VALUE
MIA DFW	 1,123	 14.90	  14.90	   .00	  48.00 
			  DOM TAX  1.11	   1.11	   .00
			  SEG TAX  3.20	   3.20	   .00
			ADMIN FEE  2.50	   2.50	   .00
DFW FRA	 5,145	100.00	  60.00	 35.00	 125.00 
			 I.T. TAX 14.10	  14.10	 14.10
			ADMIN FEE  2.50	   2.50	  2.50
FRA DFW	 5,145	100.00	  60.00	 35.00	 125.00 
			 I.T. TAX 14.10	  14.10	 14.10
	   CUSTOMS FEE/YC  5.00	   5.00	  5.00
	   INSPECTION FEE  7.00	   7.00	  7.00
		 APHIS FEE/XA  5.00	   5.00	  5.00
DFW MIA	 1,123	 14.90	  14.90	   .00	  48.00 
			  DOM TAX  1.11	   1.11	   .00
			  SEG TAX  3.20	   3.20	   .00
			ADMIN FEE  2.50	   2.50	   .00
 
SERVICE CHARGE	   229.80	 149.80	 70.00
US TAXES/FEES		 61.32	  61.32	 47.70
INTL TAXES/FEES	   29.80	  29.80	 29.80
TOTAL	  12,536	320.92	 240.92	147.50	 346.00

I think that your computations are in error. The total cost on AA, including the service charge of $70 and the taxes of $77.50, total $147.50 per person. For three individuals the grand total is $442.50.

Does the $150 ZED fare you quoted for LH include all the government taxes and fees? I doubt it. In that case, you can add approximately $230 to the charges you cited for LH and the grand total rises to about $680. Thus the trip on AA is cheaper by a third.

 

[777 fixer]

"Never said we had it any worse than any one else. That is a statement you thought up all on your own"

This is from reading your previous post. One gets the impression that AA AMT's have gotten so much worse than others. Are you admiting that we don't have it as bad as guys over at US Air, UAL, DAL and NWA?

"If you call flying another carrier for less money than AA charges its own employees to non rev. Then you are the fool."

I'm not just talking about non-reving on other carriers to save a couple bucks. I'm also talking about this parade of self pity you seem to be so fond of. I'm also talking about you seeming to take pleasure in AA AMT's losing thier jobs just so you could get a good laugh(i.e. TUL AMT's). Ignoring the fact that if TUL were to close a lot of line AMT's would lose thier jobs as well. But you would probably get to keep your job so why should you care.

Honestly I still think it would be in your own best interest to leave AA. You try and say your not "angry" but the very fact that most of your posts on these message boards usually involve how screwed we are and how messed up AA is says otherwise.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

I think that your computations are in error. The total cost on AA, including the service charge of $70 and the taxes of $77.50, total $147.50 per person. For three individuals the grand total is $442.50.

Does the $150 ZED fare you quoted for LH include all the government taxes and fees? I doubt it. In that case, you can add approximately $230 to the charges you cited for LH and the grand total rises to about $680. Thus the trip on AA is cheaper by a third.

The fellow AMT said Lufty was 450 taxes included
Nonstop MIA FRA
He will be back on Thursday I will be sure to confirm this

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

"Never said we had it any worse than any one else. That is a statement you thought up all on your own"

This is from reading your previous post. One gets the impression that AA AMT's have gotten so much worse than others. Are you admiting that we don't have it as bad as guys over at US Air, UAL, DAL and NWA?

"If you call flying another carrier for less money than AA charges its own employees to non rev. Then you are the fool."

I'm not just talking about non-reving on other carriers to save a couple bucks. I'm also talking about this parade of self pity you seem to be so fond of. I'm also talking about you seeming to take pleasure in AA AMT's losing thier jobs just so you could get a good laugh(i.e. TUL AMT's). Ignoring the fact that if TUL were to close a lot of line AMT's would lose thier jobs as well. But you would probably get to keep your job so why should you care.

Honestly I still think it would be in your own best interest to leave AA. You try and say your not "angry" but the very fact that most of your posts on these message boards usually involve how screwed we are and how messed up AA is says otherwise.

I'm also talking about this parade of self pity you seem to be so fond of.

The only ones I pity are people like you who actually think our union saved us all. Its people like you that have ruined this profession



I'm also talking about you seeming to take pleasure in AA AMT's losing thier jobs just so you could get a good laugh(i.e. TUL AMT's).


I never said or refered to taking pleasure in anyone losing his or her job. More of your rhetoric

As far is Tulsa is concerned They would vote yes to minimum wage so long as they have a job. That is why every concessionary contract put before us passes. It is a simple fact.


Ignoring the fact that if TUL were to close a lot of line AMT's would lose thier jobs as well. But you would probably get to keep your job so why should you care.


The TWU and the yes voters would never let it happen. So long as they have a job and the dues money keeps flowing they have nothing to worry about



Honestly I still think it would be in your own best interest to leave AA.

I think you should worry about your own best interests instead of every one elses. Just keep drinking the AA cool aide and you will be saved



the very fact that most of your posts on these message boards usually involve how screwed we are and how messed up AA is says otherwise.


I must be missing something I did not realize we had it so good. May be I should start drinking tha AA cool :blink: aid :blink:

 

[TWAnr]

The fellow AMT said Lufty was 450 taxes included
Nonstop MIA FRA
He will be back on Thursday I will be sure to confirm this

I had a retired AA friend with Jetnet access look it up for me. The service charge on LH, each way, is $60 for adult and $40 for the child, NOT including taxes and fees.

That works out to $120 per adult and $80 for the child for the round trip (v. $70 each on AA). Adding the taxes to the service charges, the total cost for the round trip for a family of three is approximately $552.50 on LH. That is still about 25% more than the fare on AA.

 

[777 fixer]

"The only ones I pity are people like you who actually think our union saved us all. Its people like you that have ruined this profession"

It appears that SOP for you is when you cannot come up with a logical well thought out response you fall back on name calling or calling people TWU lakeys. Do a bit of research on my views on the TWU and please tell me if I think the TWU saved us. While your at it please give some evidence that "people like" me have "ruined" this profession.

"I never said or refered to taking pleasure in anyone losing his or her job. More of your rhetoric"

Oh really? Was it not you that said on in post #7 on the "Work on NWA jets?, Unacceptable" thread "AA should really outsource all of its heavy maint. Then the scabs at local 514 would all be out of a job." When I pointed out that that if this were to happen a lot of line AMT's would lose their jobs your retort was "I would love to see the Tulsa boys afford the taxes and the housing at any of the line stations. That in itself would be worth hitting the street."

Why would you sau such things? The only logical explanation I can come up with is that there's a part of you that would like to see it happen.

"I think you should worry about your own best interests instead of every one elses. Just keep drinking the AA cool aide and you will be saved"

Once again instead of coming up with reasons why you're going to stay AA you come up with this. How typical.

"I must be missing something I did not realize we had it so good. May be I should start drinking tha AA cool aid"

Never said we had it "good". However when compared to NWA, DAL, UAL and US Air you would agree we have it better than they do.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

"The only ones I pity are people like you who actually think our union saved us all. Its people like you that have ruined this profession"

It appears that SOP for you is when you cannot come up with a logical well thought out response you fall back on name calling or calling people TWU lakeys. Do a bit of research on my views on the TWU and please tell me if I think the TWU saved us. While your at it please give some evidence that "people like" me have "ruined" this profession.

"I never said or refered to taking pleasure in anyone losing his or her job. More of your rhetoric"

Oh really? Was it not you that said on in post #7 on the "Work on NWA jets?, Unacceptable" thread "AA should really outsource all of its heavy maint. Then the scabs at local 514 would all be out of a job." When I pointed out that that if this were to happen a lot of line AMT's would lose their jobs your retort was "I would love to see the Tulsa boys afford the taxes and the housing at any of the line stations. That in itself would be worth hitting the street."

Why would you sau such things? The only logical explanation I can come up with is that there's a part of you that would like to see it happen.

"I think you should worry about your own best interests instead of every one elses. Just keep drinking the AA cool aide and you will be saved"

Once again instead of coming up with reasons why you're going to stay AA you come up with this. How typical.

"I must be missing something I did not realize we had it so good. May be I should start drinking tha AA cool aid"

Never said we had it "good". However when compared to NWA, DAL, UAL and US Air you would agree we have it better than they do.

Oh really? Was it not you that said on in post #7 on the "Work on NWA jets?, Unacceptable" thread "AA should really outsource all of its heavy maint. Then the scabs at local 514 would all be out of a job."

The reason I said this was because I read in LOCAL 514s RAG letter that they were currently looking for work on NWA aircraft.
Thats OK by you :down:
http://www.the-mechanic.com/pdf/twu-scab-union.pdf

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

I agree with the OP.

He is simply doing the same thing that millions of other American consumers have already done.

He's made his buying decision based on price.

Very amusing that he would debate 777fixer.....

(WAY TO GO 777FIXER!)