"Working Together"

[TWU informer]

I guess you could call it ass kissing if you like and there's no doubt that I'm better off to have Sam as an ally than an opponent but like I said, where's the harm and doesnt he deserve some credit for saying , "hey I made a mistake"?

I actually think transparancy is a good thing.

Yeah your right again.

There is NO HARM in illegally allowing a motion on suspension of working together to be "tabled". There is NO HARM to the member that made the motion, or the one who seconded the motion, or even the massive group that went to a Union Meeting for a chance to vote and express their opinion on the issue, only to be told "ain't gonna happen". NO HARM? Just a simple mistake so now THEY take control of the decision making and establish policy while the mistake creates the delay needed to accomplish control.

There is NO HARM in taking the issue away from the MEMBERSHIP and having the President and the Board decide the issue.

NO HARM THAT I CAN SEE AT ALL...

Afterall working together has got us this far. We have benefited so greatly from kissing the companies ass I can count my share bi-weekly. Come on down here and work in a big Local where side letters of agreement shaft you daily. Where the cost of living is low. Where you are nothing more than a dues payer to the Master Collector. Where James Little will give you really big deal and falsely befriend you. Where it appears that your dicatorship and socialist ideals would fit right in.

I figure another 6 months of Jim Little kissing your ass and keeping you close enough to his chest he could lip lock and tongue you real good, you might actually qualifiy for an appointment yourself. Next thing we know you will be signing some agreement yourself without membership ratification. NO HARM there either.

NO HARM in three memberships NOT TO BUILD a new Union Hall and spending millions to do it anyway.

I think we should nick-name you "No Harm Bob" from here on.

 

[High Speed Steel]

It's 6:40pm Central time, time to put on our Helmets and take our Prozac...LOL

Hell I gotta go light the grill, I don't have time for this crap...

 

[odie01]

Odie,

Under the circumstances of your inane posts I thought Informer and I were pretty cordial with you....

Ha, Just looked it up in my Wobsters
Inane/a woman with whom one is in love................................what are you talking about?

 

[Bob Owens]

Yeah your right again.

There is NO HARM in illegally allowing a motion on suspension of working together to be "tabled". There is NO HARM to the member that made the motion, or the one who seconded the motion, or even the massive group that went to a Union Meeting for a chance to vote and express their opinion on the issue, only to be told "ain't gonna happen". NO HARM? Just a simple mistake so now THEY take control of the decision making and establish policy while the mistake creates the delay needed to accomplish control.

There is NO HARM in taking the issue away from the MEMBERSHIP and having the President and the Board decide the issue.

NO HARM THAT I CAN SEE AT ALL...

Afterall working together has got us this far. We have benefited so greatly from kissing the companies ass I can count my share bi-weekly. Come on down here and work in a big Local where side letters of agreement shaft you daily. Where the cost of living is low. Where you are nothing more than a dues payer to the Master Collector. Where James Little will give you really big deal and falsely befriend you. Where it appears that your dicatorship and socialist ideals would fit right in.

I figure another 6 months of Jim Little kissing your ass and keeping you close enough to his chest he could lip lock and tongue you real good, you might actually qualifiy for an appointment yourself. Next thing we know you will be signing some agreement yourself without membership ratification. NO HARM there either.

NO HARM in three memberships NOT TO BUILD a new Union Hall and spending millions to do it anyway.

I think we should nick-name you "No Harm Bob" from here on.

Does the letter not say that the motion can be un-tabled at any future meeting? Seems to me that its still going to a vote. If the members subsequently vote to reject WTP (I made my feelings known on WTP) and they do what is the big deal? Does 30 more days in this thing that your prior elected leaders endorsed for 7 years really make that much of a difference?

The union hall is a different issue, a vote was taken, apparently three times, and built anyway. Thats wrong, what does that have to do with this?

There are so many other real examples at your disposal, why focus on this issue where all we are talking about is a delay while questions were answered. Maybe it is a stall tactic by the person who made the request for information but maeningful debate and not haste is a part of the Democratic process as well isnt it? Is a one month delay in voting on the issue catastrophic?

 

[High Speed Steel]

Ha, Just looked it up in my Wobsters
Inane/a woman with whom one is in love................................what are you talking about?

Well it could mean one of two things Odie. One, you sure have a purdy mouth, or two, you need to update your Wobsters....

 

[TWU informer]

After meeting with the board I have decided to put a committee together to look at the issues and restructuring of the WTP. During this time I’m requesting that all meetings below the JLT (Joint Leadership Team) be placed on hold effective 13 Dec. 2010, pending discussion over restructuring from the floor up. Specifically, Mr. Collins and the JLT must correct the broken process of Directors and Managers making unilateral decisions on matters such as: Canceling 4/10′s, new policies of attire and toolboxes or Friday off after Thanksgiving, just to name a few examples. I’m sick and tired of being slapped in the face with issues that negatively affect our member’s lives because a manager without a business plan to support his decision changes a policy or a shift without using the WTP.

Does this sound like a President waiting for the motion to be UNTABLED and voted on to you?

It sounds like someone bagging the chance to slam management (rightfully so). But once Collins corrects the broken promises using the threat of membership revolt. He will have befriended Sam in the minds of fools and then he will tell the members before the vote happens that management has done as he asked and that "giving working together" another chance is best. How many times must we be hoodwinked into a belief that "we can trust management this time", just give 'em one more chance.

Just watch this play out Bob and I will say I told you so before long.

Stupid is as Stupid Does, Over and Over and Over again.

No need to argue any further, Time will soon show us once again the predictable Nature of both AA Management and the TWU.

By the way Bob. Mr. Collins has already corrected those listed issues, even before the Sam Cirri letter was posted. I will find the letter from Mr. Collins a few weeks back to show everyone. Only an inexperienced fool would fall for this smoke screen, I am surprised you bought in.

 

[odie01]

Well it could mean one of two things Odie. One, you sure have a purdy mouth, or two, you need to update your Wobsters....

Sorry, don't swing that way Speedy. Enjoy your opossum steak, Boones Farm, and dueling banjo's on the boom-box. We don't do that kind of thing South of the Red ya know.

 

[Bob Owens]

Does this sound like a President waiting for the motion to be UNTABLED and voted on to you?

It sounds like someone bagging the chance to slam management (rightfully so). But once Collins corrects the broken promises using the threat of membership revolt. He will have befriended Sam in the minds of fools and then he will tell the members before the vote happens that management has done as he asked and that "giving working together" another chance is best. How many times must we be hoodwinked into a belief that "we can trust management this time", just give 'em one more chance.

Just watch this play out Bob and I will say I told you so before long.

Stupid is as Stupid Does, Over and Over and Over again.

No need to argue any further, Time will soon show us once again the predictable Nature of both AA Management and the TWU.

By the way Bob. Mr. Collins has already corrected those listed issues, even before the Sam Cirri letter was posted. I will find the letter from Mr. Collins a few weeks back to show everyone. Only an inexperienced fool would fall for this smoke screen, I am surprised you bought in.

Here is how I read the letter;
Right now the WTP is in place, so in the part that you quoted he is dealing with the present practice, unless his board backs him up I dont think Sam would just say "Thats it we are out", I didnt, I had board support when we told management we do not endorse it nor would we participate, so at present he is participating and using it to address issues. From what I see in the letter he still expects this to come to a vote.And I dont see any indication that he doesnt plan on honoring the outcome of that vote.

I'm no fan of those Union Busting scams, PLi, JLT, WTP, where guys who basically are anti-union volunteer to be the voice from the floor, sidestepping the union. I recall meeting the head of your WTP/JLT/PLI at your union hall, the guy was trying to sell me on the program, I told him that there's no point in agreeing to or pushing for productivity gains without any quid pro quo (other than having the guy pushing it not having to work). He actually had the nerve to say that "Money isnt a motivator". Turns out the guy wasnt even an elected official but he didnt report to work with tools in hand anymore either, and was free to promote his union busting ideology, even at the Hall, all day. From what I heard this guy is now back on his box. To me, as an outsider, thats an improvement.

Due to your size the politics are a bit more complicated than in a small Local like mine. Sam faces challenges that are more complex than mine, we only had two slates in our Local election and my slate won the majority, I dont know if thats the case in Tulsa. Having a minority of support on your board can be a liability, it can be overcome through direct appeal to the membership but its always harder to get things done without the support of the board but thats what the members chose. Do you feel that the majority of the board support withdrawing from WTP or support staying in?

 

[TWU informer]

As promised here is the Novemebr 5th Letter from Bill Collins demonstrating that he has already agreed to "Sam's Demands" to go through the Working Together Process. These dips are addicting to kissing managements ASS.

William J. Collins, III
Vice President Base Maintenance
Maintenance & Engineering


November 5, 2010



Dear Colleagues in PALM,

Yesterday, Thursday, November 4, 2010, a proposed schedule change in areas of PALM came to my attention. Unfortunately, early stage discussions regarding the change had been discussed with some of our PALM colleagues. You are all well aware of the response that was created through the discussion of the changes.

As I get to meet each of you through my skip-level meetings over the next several months, you will learn that my expectation of my Chain of Command, and of all of us, is an environment of Mutual Trust and Respect.

This may seem like a tall order today, but please know that we implemented a refined process last evening that will further a culture of Mutual Trust and Respect. The process is outlined as follows.

• A change that impacts the workforce will be supported by data and reviewed thoroughly through my Chain of Command to me. There are no exceptions.
• When we are satisfied by supporting data that a change is needed, and a thorough communication plan has been developed, my management team and I will share the topic and supporting data with Sam Cirri and Mike McDonald.
• Once we are aligned with the change, the ALT and then the JLT will be briefed and there will be further dialogue.
• Only at this point will the topic and data be shared with the people affected by a significant change.

Let me emphasize that I take our communication with each other very seriously and I'm not tolerant of deviation.

Yesterday's discussion in PALM followed a process that I am not comfortable with nor aligned with. Next week we will be reviewing the data and communication plan with PALM leadership and then with Sam, Mike, the ALT and the JLT. Only then will we be ready for a broader discussion.

I apologize on behalf of my team for testing your confidence. I look forward to meeting and speaking with each of you over the next several months.

With Warm Regards,

Bill

We were all told when the "Working Together Process" began that NO CONTRACTUAL ISSUES would be handled via this process. Now it appears the Local Union President is demanding that Contractual Issues be taken through the Working Together Process.

Once the Union is completed busted, the idiots will look around point the finger at each other for a little while, then blame the Membership for not being involved enough to stop the scam. Of course when the Membership tries, the motion is illegally tabled.

If the E-board had an ounce of sense left in them, they would gather up the Election Committee and instead of a vote at the Local Union Hall, they would do a mail ballot to every member, take a vote on Working on Together, and follow the wishes of the Membership. But they are so blinded by their unaccountable power trips that they cannot see the benefits of such action.

 

[TWU informer]

Do you feel that the majority of the board support withdrawing from WTP or support staying in?

Bob, the E- Board Members refuses to publicy state their position and when asked they talk out both sides of their mouths until their cell phone rings so they can leave your presence.

There is NO transparency in the E-Board Meeting business so none of us members know what they do support or don't support.

I do feel the majority of the E-Board believe that this decision should not be placed in the Membership hands. They appear scared to death to allow the membership to control the Local. More than one has told me that membership control of the Union would cause nothing but CHAOS.

I say who cares what the E-Board's position is on the issue. This matter is important enough to use the mail ballot and allow the membership in total to decide. Sam must not be able to see how much credibility this would gain him with the members. This is exactly why card drives happen to begin with, and why the members in Tulsa enjoy signing those cards. IT is the only avenue left to voice their opinion.

 

[eolesen]

As promised here is the Novemebr 5th Letter from Bill Collins demonstrating that he has already agreed to "Sam's Demands" to go through the Working Together Process. These dips are addicting to kissing managements ASS.

We were all told when the "Working Together Process" began that NO CONTRACTUAL ISSUES would be handled via this process. Now it appears the Local Union President is demanding that Contractual Issues be taken through the Working Together Process.

OK, where does it say contractual issues are being addressed? And WTF is PALM?

 

[TWU informer]

OK, where does it say contractual issues are being addressed? And WTF is PALM?

4/10's Work Schedule is in the Contract. PALM stands for Power Plant and Landing Gear Maintenance

Sam's letter also refers to Toolboxes, Work Attire, and Friday After Thankdsgiving Off....Contractual Issues

 

[eolesen]

4/10's Work Schedule is in the Contract. PALM stands for Power Plant and Landing Gear Maintenance

Sam's letter also refers to Toolboxes, Work Attire, and Friday After Thankdsgiving Off....Contractual Issues

Thanks.

How the 4/10's is effected is in the contract, but whether or not it's used seems to be a local issue, no?

Providing uniforms is contractual, but does it stipulate what constitutes acceptable (or unacceptable) work attire?

 

[TWU informer]

Thanks.

How the 4/10's is effected is in the contract, but whether or not it's used seems to be a local issue, no?

Providing uniforms is contractual, but does it stipulate what constitutes acceptable (or unacceptable) work attire?

The contract states that either party with 30 days notice can cancel 4/10s. This what was taking place that the Manager was unable to provide a business plan or data for after the workers basically shut down on him and quit working. Proper Work Attire in most likely a Rules of Condust issue. Friday After Thanksgiving, well cut and dry conctractual issue.