I do wonder if those who are willing to take the money and run understand that if they take the buyout you cannot get any unemployment? When you look at the complete picture $20000 after taxes is about $15000 which equates to about 5 months pay. Hmmm I did the math...would get more on unemployement and would not leave those fellow CWA members hanging with the threat of outsourcing. And if you do not believe me about the unemployment benis would recommend you check with your local unemployment office.
Would You Vote Yes Or No On Companys New Proposal
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The language in the contract is extremely vague about the buyout. What happens if 25% of agents DO NOT take the buyout. Then what? You have stayed and waited for nothing. What happens if 25% of agents take the buyout but there is a 45 day application period followed by up to a 12 month transition period. We are talking APPLICATION period. That means you may apply, but are not guaranteed it. This is all too gray for me. You may be looking at working another holiday season. Have at it. I am not giving this game that long. Their word means nothing to me. Besides this whole contract just pits RES against the agents. Their is no guarantee in the contract that most of the cities will stay mainline. There may be only a very few cities next year that will even make that pay scale. Nope...Don't trust em as far as I can throw em.
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EightySix:
EightySix said: "Pit res knows they are on the chopping block. So whats the choice? Quit now and leave with nothing, wait until they close it and without a contract just get unemployment, or take a year too look for new a new job with your health care covered, 20 grand , and unemployment benefits.
I don't think that should be a tough decision at all. I'll vote yes. It is what ALOT of people are waiting for."
USA320Pilot comments: Without consensual labor accords or "imposition" to lower costs US Airways will liquidate. With a strike US Airways will liquidate. You're right that a "buy out", unemployment, medical, job search assistance, and travel are better than just unemployment. For those who get laid off there is also severance pay, COBRA, recall rights, and J4J (if available).
I know you understand this, but for others, without the labor cuts none of this will be available, only unemployment. Which option is better?
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EightySix said: "Pit res knows they are on the chopping block. So whats the choice? Quit now and leave with nothing, wait until they close it and without a contract just get unemployment, or take a year too look for new a new job with your health care covered, 20 grand , and unemployment benefits.
I don't think that should be a tough decision at all. I'll vote yes. It is what ALOT of people are waiting for."
USA320Pilot comments: Without consensual labor accords or "imposition" to lower costs US Airways will liquidate. With a strike US Airways will liquidate. You're right that a "buy out", unemployment, medical, job search assistance, and travel are better than just unemployment. For those who get laid off there is also severance pay, COBRA, recall rights, and J4J (if available).
I know you understand this, but for others, without the labor cuts none of this will be available, only unemployment. Which option is better?
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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Glass is trying the same thing he did last time .... Round 1, he closed MCO res and told them if they voted no they wouldn't get a furlough package. Round 2, he's telling PIT if they vote no they will not get a buyout. What will he tell INT in Round 3 Total Outsourcing! ... lol lol!!!!
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I'm with Indigo Girl on this one. I have almost 26 yrs in res, now part time, and I have paid my dues with this company, ie, staying in hotels close to work during bad weather, worked nights and weekends and holidays, ( still work wkends) and have even scheduled surgery during vacation. For what?!! No thanks from management....just (get your talk time down) I will vote yes if the opportunity presents itself. IMO the company is going to outsource anyway, shoot, it's already started with .com. Best to Everyone
Yes I am home and how much do you think you are going to take home of that 15,000.00
remember it is unearned income it will be taxed at a very high rate I am not an accountant but I think it's 41% so if I am close you would move on with 8,850.00
you would get some back at the end of the year if you are still lucky to have your home to write off..
I believe it's time for a stand not just for us but for labor in this industry I don't like that we are the first but some times you don't get to choose your battles they choose you. I don't want to leave behind a battered work group while these thieves fill their pockets. They had many chances to do the right thing and they passed it up every time.
So yes I would rather walk away with nothing and know that I stood for what I think is right .....AND WE ARE RIGHT
STAND TALL BE STRONG AND VOTE NO....ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
remember it is unearned income it will be taxed at a very high rate I am not an accountant but I think it's 41% so if I am close you would move on with 8,850.00
you would get some back at the end of the year if you are still lucky to have your home to write off..
I believe it's time for a stand not just for us but for labor in this industry I don't like that we are the first but some times you don't get to choose your battles they choose you. I don't want to leave behind a battered work group while these thieves fill their pockets. They had many chances to do the right thing and they passed it up every time.
So yes I would rather walk away with nothing and know that I stood for what I think is right .....AND WE ARE RIGHT
STAND TALL BE STRONG AND VOTE NO....ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
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Yeah, good point. I think the company knows they are getting off easier offering the buyout than paying severance plus unemployment. Not to mention the grief they get when they layoff and the union uses it against them add naseum. The offer of the buyout is better PR for the company.
If the court rules with the company, do you really think there will be a severance?
There will be no severance. Collect your unemployment and go.
Or, think about your future, collect the 20 grand, health insurance, unemployment, term pass, and some job finding assistance.
Easy choice for me. For others to stay or go is a difficult one.
The fact is, they will be closing a res center. It will absolutly be PIT. They will start by consolidating to one building then close it entirely once the San Salvador office is equipped to handle the bulk of the gen sales calls. All the specialty desks, internationals and reissues will be handled by INT. I don't know why any PIT res agent wouldn't be voting yes and taking the buyout. They will be left with nothing otherwise.
There will be no severance. Collect your unemployment and go.
Or, think about your future, collect the 20 grand, health insurance, unemployment, term pass, and some job finding assistance.
Easy choice for me. For others to stay or go is a difficult one.
The fact is, they will be closing a res center. It will absolutly be PIT. They will start by consolidating to one building then close it entirely once the San Salvador office is equipped to handle the bulk of the gen sales calls. All the specialty desks, internationals and reissues will be handled by INT. I don't know why any PIT res agent wouldn't be voting yes and taking the buyout. They will be left with nothing otherwise.
I guess everyone has their own reasons. If you've been there for 20+ years this is a good offer. If you've been there for less than 5 .... it doesnt sound so good. The buy out should be out of the contract, because thats how US is going to sway the vote. OUtsourcing is just wrong.... it wouldnt be as bad if the work is staying in the USA, but its not. This is putting more americans out of work. Outsource the DM tix!!!! How much time a day do you waste looking for them.
Want my yes vote? Keep the buyout off the contract, freeze my pay at the pre 21% forced pay cut till 2007. Take your three holidays , but keep vacation pay @ 100%. Keep 1.5 pay for holidays. Close an office ... fine, but make the one that stays open workable. Give the early out options, just not in the contract. Its not right just because this contract will effect people for many years after they are gone. It seems like you get a buy out package and say "oh well" to those that are left. I can understand you want to leave with something, but doing this will be at the expense of your fellow agents.
BTW the early VTO's and HE's are ROC tests to see how operations are going with a short staff on the phones.
Want my yes vote? Keep the buyout off the contract, freeze my pay at the pre 21% forced pay cut till 2007. Take your three holidays , but keep vacation pay @ 100%. Keep 1.5 pay for holidays. Close an office ... fine, but make the one that stays open workable. Give the early out options, just not in the contract. Its not right just because this contract will effect people for many years after they are gone. It seems like you get a buy out package and say "oh well" to those that are left. I can understand you want to leave with something, but doing this will be at the expense of your fellow agents.
BTW the early VTO's and HE's are ROC tests to see how operations are going with a short staff on the phones.
Just vote yes and get it over with!
Like the company over the years, there is soo much posturing from the unions and its members, but in the end, they will take what is given and continue to work, thinking it beats the alternative. The pilots acceptance of the terms given, should be an indication of how the vote would turn out.
Like the company over the years, there is soo much posturing from the unions and its members, but in the end, they will take what is given and continue to work, thinking it beats the alternative. The pilots acceptance of the terms given, should be an indication of how the vote would turn out.
I am not a member of this union but I would vote yes if I had the opportunity for a buyout package. This is a very attractive offer from the company. Time is of the essence for your group and the remaining two unions. The hardliners (Pitbull and 700UW) should end their stubbornness and sign on to the company proposals. The readers of this forum should contact their respected labor leaders advising that you want to express your rights by voting on a tentative agreement. Time is running out for your unions before the court date. The decision by the courts will be much worse than what we are offering. In the end, the rational minds will agree that this is the best deal for their groups. Once we have the new contracts in place, we can begin to build a new bridge for a brighter and prosperous future at Airways. Labor relations are doing everything possible to offer the best proposals that will enable us to be financially solvent for years to come.
Key word is T/A, there are not T/As and the company has not made an offer worth calling a T/A.
Then you go to houses of the 3,000+ mechanic and related employees and tell them and their families why they should vote themselves out of a job.
Your judgement is very clouded, you have no idea, people are choosing about paying a bill or putting food on thier table while Lakefield does not take a one cent paycut.
Get Real!
Then you go to houses of the 3,000+ mechanic and related employees and tell them and their families why they should vote themselves out of a job.
Your judgement is very clouded, you have no idea, people are choosing about paying a bill or putting food on thier table while Lakefield does not take a one cent paycut.
Get Real!
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I don't think there is any doubt that it will pass if there is a vote. But my question is will the CWA let it come to a vote? Is there a date? It will definately pass by 25%- I think a lot higher. Like you said, most of PIT. But wont the CWA lose a lot of dues if all the high seniority people fly the coup? It seems they have a vested interest in NOT having so many employees leaving. Just wondering.
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Negotiations will continue a week from this Monday due to the travel schedules within the cwa group. That doesn't leave much time before the appointed court date. We are making progress with this group.
I would like to present a question to the naysayers (employees only) on this board.
Do you honestly think that the courts will offer you a better deal?
Don't take down the company to prove a point. If you are ready to move on with another career then take the generous buyout package and pursue another occupation.
The creditors will pull the plug ASAP if any union on property decides to strike. An immediate liquidation of the company will take place and every employee will be without a job...no severance, flight benefits,etc.
I would like to present a question to the naysayers (employees only) on this board.
Do you honestly think that the courts will offer you a better deal?
Don't take down the company to prove a point. If you are ready to move on with another career then take the generous buyout package and pursue another occupation.
The creditors will pull the plug ASAP if any union on property decides to strike. An immediate liquidation of the company will take place and every employee will be without a job...no severance, flight benefits,etc.
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