Yet another union rehash

[700UW]

Dio,

Mechanics had nothing to do with fleet and your cba.

Two Seperate NC and the only time they talked was passing in the halls at CCY during negotations, many times fleet was meeting at their hotel and M&R and Fleet stayed at differant hotels.

If you did not notice 50% of the mechanic and related got laid-off more then fleet, utility was decimated.

If you didn't know M&R was took bigger hits then fleet.

 

[diogenes]

Oh, please!

Fleet AGC's are window dressing (I've had one admit it!). There has NEVER been a fleet contract put out that didn't meet mech specs first. IF you were under the fleet contract, you'd sing a different tune. The mechs in my local were quite aware of the fleet contract, and "it damn sure better be worse than mine."

With regards to mech hits, only in the short term. I have been on furlough for less than a year, and cannot return with my seniority intact. My mech buddy has been on furlough for three years, is expecting recall any time, and will get ALL of his seniority.

Somehow, fleet was the ONLY represented group that lost recall rights. AFA has them. ALPA has them. the freakin' CWA has them. And natch, mechs.

How did that happen?

 

[700UW]

I will repeat the mechs and fleet are in two seperate districts represented by differant officers.

Your Fleet CBA has nothing to do with what mechanics wanted, I was there. You can thank your PHL contingent for what you have.

The small stations were sacrificed because of a certain group of your reps.

The Mechanic and Related NC barely spoke to the Fleet NC during negotiations.

And remember you voted on a final offer from Everett Al Hemenway.

Believe what you want, but I am telling you went down.

There are mechanic openings in PHL, DCA and BOS, no one wants to go there, and M&R only keep seniority for five years, before the final offer it was unlimited.

 

[robbedagain]

Then I'd have to say that the Fleet PHL Contingent should get booted out the door. They only scrafice to save themselves the big dough.

 

[A320 Driver]

They are jobs mechanics use to do, and some still do.

The NMB says they are related, take it up with them.

And when a station does not have a stock clerk, who does the stock clerk work?

A mechanic.....ding...ding... ding....

By the way the Department of Labor does not consider an AMT skilled labor.

That is absurd.

A320 Driver

 

[delldude]

Your Fleet CBA has nothing to do with what mechanics wanted, I was there. You can thank your PHL contingent for what you have.

yeah butt......they start with a bogey target for all labor groups and its up to the NC to get what for each group out of that specified bogey.
IE:we got 40 million for M&R...you cut up the pie...

The Mechanic and Related NC barely spoke to the Fleet NC during negotiations.

probably so but they're calling in to district and higher with progress reports weekly if not daily so someones watching the big picture and advising direction.

 

[700UW]

A320 driver guess you are an expert on what has transpired over the years?

Mechanics use to dump lavs, clean the planes and handle the aircraft parts, over the years the those duties were given to lower classifications to accomplish, that is why the NMB rules them in the same class and craft.

Also the DOL does not consider an AMT skilled labor.

If you can prove otherwise be my guest, but something tells me you cant.

 

[A320 Driver]

A320 driver guess you are an expert on what has transpired over the years?

Mechanics use to dump lavs, clean the planes and handle the aircraft parts, over the years the those duties were given to lower classifications to accomplish, that is why the NMB rules them in the same class and craft.

Also the DOL does not consider an AMT skilled labor.

If you can prove otherwise be my guest, but something tells me you cant.

Maybe I'm confusing AMT with A&P. Can't see where two years of school plus experience to get an airline job could be classified unskilled. I'm not arguing, I honestly don't understand.

A320 Driver B)

 

[700UW]

AMT and A&P are the same, the DOL does not classify the aircraft mechanic as skilled labor.

 

[diogenes]

What delldude said.

There is no way fleet NC went off any old way they pleased, and mech NC went off any old way they pleased.

The efforts were coordinated to get to the number the company wanted, and sacrifices had to be made.

No question fleet and mech are in different districts - the IAm created a special district for mechs, to separate them from fleet.

Did the distict make that decision, or the international? I'm guessing the international, and I'm guessing the international called the shots on negotiations.

 

[delldude]

when its comes down to neg's.....company in one way or another informs the union as to what they're basically willing to give for one labor group or another.cash amount.....union then has to make it work for their respective group....one way or another....and they will try to make it better for all above and beyond the company bogey....neg's are two sides coming together not always getting what each other originally intended to. 😉
neg's 101

 

[700UW]

The Mechanic and Related only districted was disbanded, we are part of IAM District 142 which contains, Mechanc and Related, Flight Attendants, Customer Service and many other groups.

The negotiations took place while we are/were in District 142, not 141M.

The International had input but the talks were done and run by the Districts, and the Transportation Department is run by a former Ramp Agent and Ramp and Customer Service are the two largest groups that make up the Transportation Dept.

 

[diogenes]

When US fleet came into the IAM, the international placed them in D141. Along the same time, the international created D141M, and placed UA and US mechs into it.

During our organizing drive, many mechs wrote letters to the IAM, saying they did not want fleet in their union.

Rather than educate the membership, the international went the 141M route to appease mechs. A ridiculous excercise - fleet was never going to be under the same contract as M&R.

141M was disbanded when UA mechs went AMFA. 141M no longer had the dues structure to be viable. The US mechs were then put into 142, an existing district, rather than put back into 141, where they originally came from.

How is all of that division create solidarity? Maybe the Wobblies were right - "one big union in the sky, bye-and-bye."

 

[700UW]

District 141 Mechanic and Related Members voted to seperate into 141M, 141M was not disbanded till 2004, a few years after UAL mechanics went AMFA.

And we were put back into 142 because they had mechanics in it and 141 did not.

Do you know Fleet and Customers Service outnumbered mechanics in 141?

And you were placed into 141 as UAL ramp was all ready there and it made no sense to put you into 142 or 143 at the time.

 

[Old PSA]

I would like to agree with 700UW on one point. The NMB is only one who decides the makeup of a bargining unit. The company, union and employees have no input. It appears the NMB is still taking a very, very historical perspective on this area,even for new airlines.