Yet another union rehash

[700UW]

You have an elitist attitude, you really need some education on trade unionism, it is about everyone, not just one classification.

Like I said go ask AMFA how that attitude worked for them at NWA.

 

[delldude]

HOW DID THAT GO: LET MY PEOPLE GO!

holy sheeyut..we pissed off Moses....

 

[700UW]

Class and Craft is not aircraft mechanics only, go check with the NMB.

Mechanics, GSE and Aircraft, Utility, Stock Clerks, Inspectors, QA, Planners, Material Controlers. MOC Specialist, Tech Doc Specialist and Ground Communication Techs, are all in the same Class and Craft.

Are you making your own determinations now?

 

[awausairtech]

Class and Craft is not aircraft mechanics only, go check with the NMB.

Mechanics, GSE and Aircraft, Utility, Stock Clerks, Inspectors, QA, Planners, Material Controllers. MOC Specialist, Tech Doc Specialist and Ground Communication Techs, are all in the same Class and Craft.

Are you making your own determinations now?

NO 700uw Iam not making my own determinations just pointing out facts of how the LICENSED PROFESSIONAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT MECHANIC is being held back and you don't like it because it would pulls that silver spoon out of your mouth.

This is real easy, To work on a aircraft you are required by law to have a FAA Airframe and Power plant license so if the job title requires a A/P this should be a class and craft.

If the job title does not require a FAA Certified License then that should be in a class and craft: GSE Mechanics, Utility, Stock Clerks, Planners, Material Controllers,Tech Doc Specialist and Ground Communication Techs.

This is why the IAM LOST THE AMT'S AT NORTHWEST AIRLINES.
Times are changing and the AMT needs to change and start to take control of their PROFESSION as LICENSED FAA PROFESSIONAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT MECHANICS!!!

 

[delldude]

This is real easy, To work on a aircraft you are required by law to have a FAA Airframe and Power plant license so if the job title requires a A/P this should be a class and craft.

I beg your pardon but all you need is to be supervised by a licensed A&P Mechanic.how do you think all those stooges at 3rd party sites pull it off? 😱

 

[700UW]

This is real easy, To work on a aircraft you are required by law to have a FAA Airframe and Power plant license

Please explain how you have unlicensed mechanics in your PHX hangar working on planes then?

Don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[delldude]

Please explain how you have unlicensed mechanics in your PHX hangar working on planes then?

Don't let the facts get in your way.

anyone can get a repairman certificate....its an end around the FAA licensing procedure and the WEST SIDE STORY here is they have some agreement with a local community college and IBT has agreed somewhat to let these mechanics work for a time at a lower wage rate than fully licensed mechs,most likely due to the program at the comm college being somewhat lacking in format.
so in essense they are doing the 18 month experience gig,the company union..IBT agreed to have workers paid less and doug is happy with the agreement.
But where I went to school,the day I graduated,I was a genuine FAA Government Approved A&P Mechanic ready,willing and able to work on A/C.

 

[diogenes]

I fail to see how driving ancillary folks out of the contract would have helped NW mechs. They all withheld their services, and they lost. If your point is the ancillary folks should be under a different contract than mech, that'd be ok with me (if you can talk the NMB into it, as I understand it, M&R is the case at all airlines), but I still don't see the difference. If mechs + ute can't shut down NW, how is mech - ute gonna do it?

The only way labor had a chance in the airline management/BK bonanza was for EVERY group to call the bluff and walk. Sadly, every union wanted to throw somebody else under the bus, and Glass played them like a fiddle.

 

[awausairtech]

Please explain how you have unlicensed mechanics in your PHX hangar working on planes then?

Don't let the facts get in your way.

AS Dell said a faa licensed repairman for 18 mo. tring to better him or her self to get the A&P(AMT) class and craft. B)

 

[700UW]

Taking the jobs of higher paid AMTs and dragging your wages down, that is what you said the unlicensed people do.

 

[allunionsdeceive]

I beg your pardon but all you need is to be supervised by a licensed A&P Mechanic.how do you think all those stooges at 3rd party sites pull it off? 😱

It depends on the way the companies certificate is written. A non-licensed person cannot work on critical A/c systems at AWA or US in a line environment. No matter who they work under. Heavy check is different, because it is 100% buy back and at AWA and US there are non-licensed people working on the A/c. You guys are arguing things you don’t know fully.

Taking the jobs of higher paid AMTs and dragging your wages down, that is what you said the unlicensed people do.

Both the IAM and IBT to it to bring up the member # under the agreement.

 

[delldude]

It depends on the way the companies certificate is written. A non-licensed person cannot work on critical A/c systems at AWA or US in a line environment. No matter who they work under. Heavy check is different, because it is 100% buy back and at AWA and US there are non-licensed people working on the A/c. You guys are arguing things you don’t know fully.
Both the IAM and IBT to it to bring up the member # under the agreement.

dude.... if a non licensed did the work in a line environment,non licensed does the work,license signs for it....license goes to sing sing. 😱

You guys are arguing things you don’t know fully.

yeah...right.

(d) A person working under the supervision of a holder of a mechanic
or repairman certificate may perform the maintenance, preventive
maintenance, and alterations that his supervisor is authorized to
perform, if the supervisor personally observes the work being done to
the extent necessary to ensure that it is being done properly and if the
supervisor is readily available, in person, for consultation. However,
this paragraph does not authorize the performance of any inspection
required by Part 91 or Part 125 of this chapter or any inspection
performed after a major repair or alteration.

 

[allunionsdeceive]

dude.... if a non licensed did the work in a line environment,non licensed does the work,license signs for it....license goes to sing sing. 😱

You guys are arguing things you don’t know fully.

yeah...right.

Yes, but under US and AWA ops spects we can't do that.

You are arguing things you don’t know fully

 

[700UW]

In CLT line mtc, the lead avionics tech does not have his A&P and he signs off the work using his repairman's certificate.

 

[delldude]

Yes, but under US and AWA ops spects we can't do that.

You are arguing things you don’t know fully

says must be performed by a licensed mechanic...under 43.3

it'd still be legal dude....

You are arguing things you don’t know fully