You can take my lanyard, but you can never take my freedom

[700UW]

I love it when you use facts, lol!

 

[toganoflex]

Layards are staying, It's against NLRB rules to take them away.Even in circumstances when a uniform
appearance (i.e., hat, shirt) is justified, you
cannot lawfully prohibit employees
from wearing union buttons,
stickers or lanyards unless the
display is unreasonably large or the message
is obscene or otherwise disparaging.

Completely incorrect.

Do some research instead of pulling this stuff out of your ass

 

[Pi brat]

I believe F28 pilots were getting full pay on furlough. sweet deal

They were covered by a no furlough clause. The company decided to park them on the F28 instead of spreading a few extra positions all around the airplanes. What were those pilots supposed to do, furlough themselves?

 

[Pi brat]

I love it when you use facts, lol!

It is a fact. You and large sectiton of your group are gone, so how did that work?

I was a rank and file member of ALPA. They told me I couldn't honor your line without threat of termination. Sounds like you have some issues with ALPA too!

 

[toganoflex]

Too bad Cleary is more concerned with losing his bling than he is with his contract.

But I guess when that's all you have to offer your pilots...

 

[flyinawa]

July 19, 2011

Fellow Pilots:

As most of you are aware, the US Airways pilots have been subject to a far-ranging assault on our right to communicate with one another concerning our collective interests. Pilot terminations have escalated, the USAPA Safety Committee Chairman has been threatened with termination in response to insistence that the Company maintain a safe working environment, and newly-installed video cameras in the crew rooms, which were supposedly installed to deter theft, are instead being used to monitor your actions and conversations - as we suspected they would be.

Most recently, the Company has issued a new directive that seeks to eliminate the use of union lanyards as part of a new ID holder policy. In the context of recent events, the new policy must be viewed as a further assault on our statutory rights.

The Railway Labor Act, in many respects, is less supportive of employee rights than its National Labor Relations Act counterpart. Nevertheless, with respect to union-related communications it has been held that the RLA "does not offer any less protection than the NLRA..." Hurley v. Horizon Air Industries, Inc., 613 F. Supp. 2d 1229, 1232 (W.D. Wash. 2009); Skywest Pilots ALPA Organizing Committee v. Skywest Airlines, Inc. 182 L.R.R.M. 2485 (N.D. Calif. 2007).

Even in the RLA context, it has been specifically held that:

[E]mployees have the right to visibly demonstrate their support [of] ... a particular bargaining representative absent some exceptional reason for curtailing such expression.

Adams v. Federal Express Corp., 470 F. Supp. 1356, 1362-63 (W.D. Tenn. 1979), aff'd, 654 F.2d 452 (6th Cir. 1981).

In our view, there is no "exceptional reason" that would justify the Company's ID holder policy, and I have indicated this in a response to US Airways COO Robert Isom, which is available on the USAPA web site and attached to this letter. We consider the new policy to be simply a component of a policy of intimidation, undermining union activities, and subordinating safe operations to corporate profit.

The lanyards are a symbol of our solidarity toward our safety campaign, and Management knows that. They may well be able to strip us of the symbol temporarily until the matter can be litigated, but they have no way to strip us of the solidarity. Their feeble and transparent attempt to do so is but one more illustration of just how clueless they are in the field of employee motivational tools. Exactly what was the last act by our management that demonstrated any positive motivation of the employees? They know of no other way but to focus on the negative. The former East pilot managers, led by Ed Bular, are clearly under a great deal of pressure to keep you under Management's thumb. Bular's promises to his Tempe masters are now showing all signs of failure. The lanyards issue is but one more example of why they really have no business running this company; it is obvious to everyone but themselves. They want to fight over a symbol of a safety campaign? Really? To truly prove who is right and who is wrong about the lanyards, we will have to litigate yet another matter. And to do so we have incorporated the matter into our status quo filing in the eastern District of New York.

The lanyards are a symbol of our solidarity, a fact that they don't like to admit. They cannot take the solidarity, all they can do is admit to you that it bothers them when we think and act together.

We encourage you to continue to wear your union lanyard. If you are directed by management personnel to remove the lanyard, ask him/her exactly what special circumstances justify the Company's demand and whether they object to the message that you are committed to the safe operation of our airplanes. Ask if you are subject to discipline if you fail to remove your union lanyard.

If you are advised that you will be subject to discipline, remove your lanyard rather than subject yourself to the inevitable insubordination charge. Record the date, time, identity of the management representative, and the justification provided (if any) for the demand. Then transmit this information at the earliest opportunity to your Domicile Representatives for inclusion into the litigation.

As the Company persists in its anti-union conduct, we are taking the appropriate legal action to protect your rights by including this most recent abrogation in our Complaint that was filed in the Eastern District of NY alleging violations of the status quo provisions of the Railway Labor Act, and the intimidation of our members for asserting the most basic of rights.

Sincerely,

Captain Michael Cleary
President

It's really impressive the way USAPA is willing to play chicken with the company with YOUR job. I always thought the point of a Union is having an entity stand up to the company on YOUR behalf, not pilots standing up to the company on theirs. You East guys have an odd way of doing things.

 

[autofixer]

It's really impressive the way USAPA is willing to play chicken with the company with YOUR job. I always thought the point of a Union is having an entity stand up to the company on YOUR behalf, not pilots standing up to the company on theirs. You East guys have an odd way of doing things.

Hugh? Incoheraent. No comprende. What?

 

[SparrowHawk]

I've heard that the rules is that you can wear any one thing that is no larger then a 1" button. That's from a long time ago and I have no idea where it originated. It might be an old HP thing, might be a NLRB ruling. I just don't know. What I DO know is that I'm pissed off that they are not allowing me a lanyard. Because I'm Fleet I get an armband, which I absolutely hate. I don't need an armband, a lanyard will work just fine.

Most likely came from the Steven Wolf years and the booklet "Images of Excellence" where what was permited to be displayed and where on the uniform it was to be placed.

Different airline, different time, but likely the precedent the Tempe Turds are using now.

 

[lineguy43]

Tell me when did it became the pilot's job to represent other employee groups?

If you couldn't pull off a strike by yourselves, you shouldtn't have gone out. I don't remember getting a vote on your strike.

I wonder if our mechanics regret having utility tied to them.

Well if they are like NWA was when we voted in AMFA we were forced to take the cleaners because they are considered same "class and craft" even though it was meant to apply only to airplane parts cleaners it allowed all cleaners in most of which were cabin cleaners. Even parts cleaners should never be included as class and craft. Be glad as a pilot you are not forced to have to accept anyone other than pilots into your represented group. We didn't have a choice and all of AMFA;s limited resources atleast in our local all our dues monies were spent fighting cleaner grievances virtually none were mechanics. So if I was to guess I would say your mechanics are not happy having utility tied to them. Oh and your mechanics are at the bottom of the payscale of all the majors and most others as well. Way to go IAM.

 

[767one]

Most likely came from the Steven Wolf years and the booklet "Images of Excellence" where what was permited to be displayed and where on the uniform it was to be placed.

Different airline, different time, but likely the precedent the Tempe Turds are using now.

Illusions or delusions of excellence. Steve Wolf was a "visionary". One mans vision is another mans hallucination or nightmare.


Bob

 

[john john]

Be glad as a pilot you are not forced to have to accept anyone other than pilots into your represented group. We didn't have a choice and all of AMFA;s limited resources atleast in our local all our dues monies were spent fighting cleaner grievances virtually none were mechanics.

And how has that worked out for them
Whipsawing express vs the mainline

 

[Pi brat]

Well if they are like NWA was when we voted in AMFA we were forced to take the cleaners because they are considered same "class and craft" even though it was meant to apply only to airplane parts cleaners it allowed all cleaners in most of which were cabin cleaners. Even parts cleaners should never be included as class and craft. Be glad as a pilot you are not forced to have to accept anyone other than pilots into your represented group. We didn't have a choice and all of AMFA;s limited resources atleast in our local all our dues monies were spent fighting cleaner grievances virtually none were mechanics. So if I was to guess I would say your mechanics are not happy having utility tied to them. Oh and your mechanics are at the bottom of the payscale of all the majors and most others as well. Way to go IAM.

That always seemed like the pilots having the F/As in out group. Hmmm.........over here that might have been better!

 

[usfliboi]

It's really impressive the way USAPA is willing to play chicken with the company with YOUR job. I always thought the point of a Union is having an entity stand up to the company on YOUR behalf, not pilots standing up to the company on theirs. You East guys have an odd way of doing things.

The above letter and its content is exactly whats wrong with our company. Either follow the rules or quit. If you choose not too then you can be fired...Oh no thats right youll get your job back...Not anywhere in the real world.... Our issues are no different that those who rely on our government too survive ....They feel etitled !!!!!!!! I can tell you that people on the line are fed up with the above attitude and have begun to revolt.. Ive always wondered why this company allowed sports lanyards etc to be worn when millions are spent on uniforms to look They have every right and should enforce the uniform code.. If a group of etitled feel they are special and above the rules then they arent needed.... Im sick of the delayed flights all in the name of safety.... I m sick of those who feel they are above everyone else. I enjoy the fact I have a paycheck and a job. If most were honest they would agree.

 

[autofixer]

The above letter and its content is exactly whats wrong with our company. Either follow the rules or quit. If you choose not too then you can be fired...Oh no thats right youll get your job back...Not anywhere in the real world.... Our issues are no different that those who rely on our government too survive ....They feel etitled !!!!!!!! I can tell you that people on the line are fed up with the above attitude and have begun to revolt.. Ive always wondered why this company allowed sports lanyards etc to be worn when millions are spent on uniforms to look They have every right and should enforce the uniform code.. If a group of etitled feel they are special and above the rules then they arent needed.... Im sick of the delayed flights all in the name of safety.... I m sick of those who feel they are above everyone else. I enjoy the fact I have a paycheck and a job. If most were honest they would agree.

I think when it comes down to it, the westies are embarassed that they just don't have the balls it takes to get the job done. I love that neutered atttitude, "I am just happy to have a paycheck", thus, the implication is, "so should you and shut up and get back to work you are scaring me." I guess my grandfather should have just been happy to have a "paycheck" when they threw him into a coalmine at age 12. Just a reminder, the pilots (I am not sure about other work groups) buy their own uniforms, so the company does not spend "millions" on pilot uniforms.

 

[nycbusdriver]

.... Im sick of the delayed flights all in the name of safety....

Too bad it can't be arranged that you be the only fatality in the flaming hole made when some captain backs down and takes an unsafe airplane.