American Airlines and Labor Negotiations
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Racer X
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How do you think they benefit by section 6? By keeping IAM medical? Without going to section 6 the medical issue remains. So Why would the IAM WANT section 6? The only other option than standing your ground is to capitulate. If that happens then everyone will say that the ASSOCIATION gave in! Also...I believe neither side wants to have a 3rd party dictate when and how often they meet.
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You may very well be right. But i was responding to Racer's post which only mentioned IAM medical. not Scope!
AANOTOK
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Racer, let me ask a simple question. What is the harm in letting the members have a voice? What is the Association afraid of. We obviously know what happens without a vote, why not see what happens with the MEMBERS speaking. Despite what one loudmouth contiinually claims here, there is a desire for many to have a say now.
Wait a second. Just a few days ago the asso. said they were making huge progress with scope, outsourcing and job protections. Didn't know the asso. means progress for the company to send everything out. My God, you would think the asso. would brag about progress in their favor NOT the companies favor.
I knew that posting that the asso. was making great progress was an evil attempt at "trying" to slow down the AMP card drive when in fact the negotiations is going in the exact opposite direction.
KEEP THOSE CARDS COMING IN GUYS!!!
And two that have fired the TWU when AMP gets in.
You guys can rest assured that now that the company is trying to outsource all fleet, your fleet union will fight to the end and includes sec 6 as you have stated from the get go. Good luck Tim, you guys are going to need a lot of it with this fiasco asso.
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The “loudmouth” is the “greedy prick” who doesn’t want to let our Negotiators finish because he saw all the MONEY the Company was offering and he has a TON of seniority so he has nothing to worry about AND he’s planning to retire in 4 years so he wants to BANK as much into his retirement account as he possibly can.
With people like you out there I hope they hold off and don’t accept ANYTHING until the day after you walk out the door.
You forgot to post the second chart. The major items are still not complete. By the way, why did you state the chart you posted is from " a few hours ago". When it is the same chart dated 7/26?
Now the real story. Nowhere near an agreement much less an AIP or T/A.
I was gonna ask where all the other "MAJOR" articles were at but you took care of that for me.
WeAAsles
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So because YOU have always maintained that the IAM lower cost Medical won’t survive you have to be “mean” and continue to push their faces in it? Yes your continuing to say that something THEY have that YOU don’t won’t survive is plain and simply being “mean” and I hope these guys remember this when you sit in a room with them one on one.
BTW I can be mean too.
All the more reasons to sign a card and get this asso. removed.
Time to fire the asso.
Racer, speaking from experience; you are correct. Neither side would like a third party setting dates and running the nego's process. However your company will love how much more the mediator would stretch these nego's out.
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Racer, I had a simple question for YOU and some little boy felt the need to inject himself into ones conversation AGAIN like he usually does. Of course with the name calling "Rock Thrower" and "Greedy Prick". This little kid has issue that should of been dealt with years ago, but he was failed and look what it has manifested into. I'm sure with >SPIT< absent and not giving out his "feel good" green and gold to the young one, it can have him a little down. But I digress...I had one other question for you Racer, is medical your #1 priority. I know there are many things, but would your healthcare be your must, and is it a must, can it be negotiated to say meet in the middle.
I guess us senior guys shouldn't worry at least a little about our retirement? There may be hundreds of older members, and not just mechanics, who have had enough and want out. Doesn't their voice count for anything? Their opinion's? Needs? Wants? We all pay union dues.
It's not necessarily just about "I GOT MINE," but more about "I have had enough of getting screwed."
WeAAz, one thing is for sure.......One way or another, the company will get what it seeks. And it will be backed up by the union's "they can do that, brother."
I have seen it over and over again. Jobs went anyway.
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WeAAsles
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ABSOLUTELY their voices need to count more than anyone else first. (Why do you think I tolerate Al)
BUT in 1995 the Senior Fleet guys negotiated and voted in a contract that established Junior FSC which was the “greediest” thing ever seen at AA. ($10.00 per hour TOS after 10 years)
I’ve always supported BALANCE. How to lean the most on those Senior guys wants and needs but not screw those below including myself and the unborn. No I don’t think the unborn should be just a footstool for the rest of us.
Jobs went away because of Deregulation starting in 1978 and us not wanting or accepting to work for what the LCC’s were paying. Jobs went away because we voted for more money over them. Jobs went away because of concessions and Bankruptcies.
As far as the “They can do that” line. The ONLY times I’ve ever heard that is in regards to what’s in our Contracts. If it’s not a violation of our CBA then yes, they can do that.
I’d rather hear they can do that with an explanation why then get some BS artist Union Rep trying to tell me what he thinks I want to hear.
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