Iam Negotiations
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SpinDoc
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700UW said:
Well Mr. Union saviour, the jig is up. The IAM
has 3 choices in this matter.
1. Find a way to meet the "ask" numbers
without losing headcount (this would mean
far bigger paycuts than most would agree
to)
2. Agree to the current proposal that has
been presented by the company and
ratify the agreement, or
3. Vote the proposal down and take
your chances with "management
friendly" Mitchell who will most likely
impose the last company proposal
which is voted down.
There is not way for the IAM to "Win"
so to speak, and you are delusional
if you think the company does not
have contingency contracts in place
with vendors to replace every last IAM
member on the property.
Go ask the ATSB what they will do if any contract is abrogated and then a stike occurs with one or more unions and it classifications?
The minute a contract is abrogated the ATSB will call the loan and the place will go away.
And has any group ratified yet besides ALPA?
Nope, don't count your chickens before your eggs hatch, Mr Management.
Better go check with the FAA on replacing Mechanics. You are full of it.
And any agreement or cash expenditure has to be filed in court, as you see US does not have money to just sign contracts with vendors.
The minute a contract is abrogated the ATSB will call the loan and the place will go away.
And has any group ratified yet besides ALPA?
Nope, don't count your chickens before your eggs hatch, Mr Management.
Better go check with the FAA on replacing Mechanics. You are full of it.
And any agreement or cash expenditure has to be filed in court, as you see US does not have money to just sign contracts with vendors.
SpinDoc
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700UW said:
You act like my postings are a personal attack
against you. This is a message board, not a
friggen street fight. You have your opinion about
this abortion of an airline and I have mine.
It's a management versus union argument and
it's good to have debates. My only point in this
matter is that Judge Mitchell just happens
to lean toward management and the creditors,
and that doesn't bode well for you, the IAM, or
any other union group that fails to have a
ratified T/A by judgement day.
And, even though management has been
accused of failing to be proactive in the past,
they are being proactive this time and they
know exactly what they need to do if any of
the union groups decide to walk out. They
are prepared to replace any group that takes
an illegal job action. It's really that simple.
SpinDoc said:
SpinDoc-
You don't have a grasp on reality. If the mechanics walk, this airline is over with right now. I'm sure Lakefield would try to bring in SCABS to steal the IAM jobs, but that would take way longer than U would have money. Also, if you think that the IAM would genuflect to SCABS crossing a picket line, you're just not connected with reality. It would likely be very public, very noisy, very ugly, and with lots of news media covering the theft of working level jobs while US Airways CEOs leave with $4.5 million dollars for screwing the company up even worse than it was before. You can bet the union has a whole campaign ready to implement.
Also, the general public isn't going to get on a bankrupt and gutted airline who just eviserated it's maintenance and with mechanics picketing the checkin.
You should be running U. You're business savy and human relations skills are about on par with the miserable failures in the executive ranks at U.
Lakefield still has the proverbial gun pointed at his own head and is threatening to shoot if the IAM doesn't protrate themselves before him. Everybody need to don raincoats to protect themselves from the proverbial splatter.
SpinDoc
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700UW said:
Well then, let me ask you this. Why has the
ATSB given extensions and allowed US to
renegotiate the terms of the loan agreements
5 (five) times when they could call in the
whole ballgame and collect their collateral?
Hmmm?
And GE, while having interestes to protect,
obviously sees profits if US can be stabilized
and transform into a profitable enterprise.
GE knows something that none of us do.
Otherwise, they would have petitioned the
court to shut this place down a long time
ago.
The plan to transform this company was
developed long before CH11 #2 with the
consent of most of the creditors. The
company knows exactly what needs to
happen to turn this place around.
Unfortunately, the plan involves "right
sizing" labor contracts to meet future
obligations and I am sorry you might be
caught in the crosshairs of this plan.
I never said anything was a win or loss.
Because is was an election year.
Ask yourself this, why did Sun Yi Trust call in the loan?
Why did Bank of America refuse to step up to be the Tranche A lender?
Then the ATSB had to get Citibank step in and then charge US a higher interest rate
Why did Bombardier and Embraer halt all deliveries?
Why is EDS asking to be prepaid every month?
Why did GE take 25 planes back and then make US find $100 million in private financing or the new GE deal is dead?
Why did the restaurants in PIT refuse to take US Airways Vouchers?
Why is Rolls Royce refusing to give US Airways any RB-211s (757 Engine) unless paid first?
Why is Goodrich seeking money for wheels and brakes before delivering?
Boy that sure does sound like the financial world has loads of confidence in US Airways and its management.
Because is was an election year.
Ask yourself this, why did Sun Yi Trust call in the loan?
Why did Bank of America refuse to step up to be the Tranche A lender?
Then the ATSB had to get Citibank step in and then charge US a higher interest rate
Why did Bombardier and Embraer halt all deliveries?
Why is EDS asking to be prepaid every month?
Why did GE take 25 planes back and then make US find $100 million in private financing or the new GE deal is dead?
Why did the restaurants in PIT refuse to take US Airways Vouchers?
Why is Rolls Royce refusing to give US Airways any RB-211s (757 Engine) unless paid first?
Why is Goodrich seeking money for wheels and brakes before delivering?
Boy that sure does sound like the financial world has loads of confidence in US Airways and its management.
SpinDoc
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SpinDoc
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700UW said:
700:
The ATSB allowed US to renegotiate the terms
of the guaranteed loan. The ATSB loan IS the
DIP financing for the entirity of the CH 11 process.
usfliboi
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700 FIRST OF ALL i always ignore you lol your just entertainment... 2nd, I know exactly what outsourcing is, and you more than I will know first hand soon..... BTW IT has everything to do with a vote. If your bruthers and sisters vote no in a majority, you all lose, unless the other half decides to work..... Crystal clear>? You have been wrong since the day the first BK started. You speak from emotion and not reality. You and all of our unions have continued to keep the store open, because we had NO CHOICE. You see, reality has a strange way of over powering emotion. The 2 have nothing in commom in the end, except that one causes the other....
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The only way ill be in that line, is if we shut down which is very obvious to the intelligents out there, thats not gonna happen..... BTW You slogan line of "concessions are not solutions" is soooooo off base, it shows what you know about buisness. Concessions with todays industry, and our situation, will make the final call of survive or perish. Not just "them" alone, but coupled with all the other changes that are going on, will make this airline prosper. Only time will tell, but i gotta feelin, youll be surprised!
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