DALPA MEC Chair to step down

[jcw]

I don't know what time frame will be necessary. But Richard Anderson said before the vote ever was concluded that there would be no quick repeat and there would be reversal.I am far more willing to trust that he will ensure that what he says comes true.

Interesting - so this seems to be getting adversarial with your implication - Richard is going to take his time etc

Then you have a canceled jet order - seems like the pilots and Richard are drifting apart

 

[WorldTraveler]

Richard said before the vote results ever came in that he would not rush back to the table... precisely because labor wants to believe they can reject the current deal, expect DL to sweeten it, and labor can do without the benefits from the now-voted down TA because they will do better later.

DL is simply not stupid enough to say "oh we underestimated what was involved so will drag out the checkbook that we didn't bring the last time around."

both sides can reshuffle the pieces but DL appears to be ready to do exactly what WN is doing - which is park its labor groups and then tell them later that there is no retro and the money they thought they would gain just wasn't there after all.

 

[700UW]

By law both parties must submit openers 60 days prior to the amendable date and both parties must negotiate in good faith.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

The delta bod will be pressing RA to move away from his Larenzo roots (look it up folks), and encourage him to keep with the family meme.

 

[700UW]

Anderson was CO's Counsel during EA's raping and bankruptcy.

 

[Kev3188]

Richard said before the vote results ever came in that he would not rush back to the table... precisely because labor wants to believe they can reject the current deal, expect DL to sweeten it, and labor can do without the benefits from the now-voted down TA because they will do better later.DL is simply not stupid enough to say "oh we underestimated what was involved so will drag out the checkbook that we didn't bring the last time around."both sides can reshuffle the pieces but DL appears to be ready to do exactly what WN is doing - which is park its labor groups and then tell them later that there is no retro and the money they thought they would gain just wasn't there after all.

  

Maybe, but I'm betting behind closed doors, it's much closer to this:

The delta bod will be pressing RA to move away from his Larenzo roots (look it up folks), and encourage him to keep with the family meme.

There will be posturing and face saving all around, but IMO, DALPA will wind up,with much closer to what they want tha the company. Too much pressure from the BOD & Wall St.

Just my .02...

 

[WorldTraveler]

the best part about this forum is that what is posted can be verified down the road.

I doubt very seriously that DL will end up shelling out the 20-25% pay raises over 3 years that the TA would have provided if DL doesn't get a whole lot more than what they wanted.

DL is more than capable of telling Wall Street that PS makes sense - and it does.

As much as a bunch of pilots got all wrapped around an axle convincing themselves that the company was out to steal their profit sharing, what DL wants and is for DL pilots to show up for work and now have loopholes like the copilot training loophole (including buddy bidding with a linecheck airman) that don't exist at AA or UA or are significantly more limited.

buddy bidding with an LCA serves no other purpose than to find a way not to work. The company has every right to go after it.

 

By law both parties must submit openers 60 days prior to the amendable date and both parties must negotiate in good faith.

WN has certainly obeyed the law but their labor groups are all years past the amendable date for their contracts.
 
 

The delta bod will be pressing RA to move away from his Larenzo roots (look it up folks), and encourage him to keep with the family meme.

we would but the spelling you provided doesn't match anything.


btw, some pilot sources are saying DL is acquiring 30 more 76 seaters which it has the right to do under the current contract and will also refurbish some of the 50 seaters it had planned to park.

 

[700UW]

Ah the typical WT post, do this or DL will do this, threats dont and wont work from you to DALPA and its members.
 
The Pilots are just fine with status quo, DL isnt.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm simply providing what is being said.

I don't make the decisions.

Richard Anderson said he had a plan B, wouldn't be back at the table with a better deal if the pilots rejected the one they did, and the latest evidence indicates that is what is happening.

DL was going to pay SOME pilots a higher salary in order to fly more aircraft.

DL pilots thought they could force the company back to the table; DL is apparently ordering more 76 seaters, will likely pay some group of RJ pilots more, and will refurbish 50 seaters to keep more of them flying the hundreds of flights per day that are less than 90 minutes in the air, and DL will still have the smallest fleet of 50 seaters among the big 3 US carriers.

The pilots acted, DL is too.

It is pure foolishness to think either side didn't have a plan B.

The pilots plan B appears to be to throw out their current leadership and keep pushing for a better deal.

DL's plan B appears to increase flying at its regional carriers.

For DL, it is an economic decision. DL absolutely wanted some things out of a new contract but they also have ways to shift costs where they need to, including to slow the growth of the company and to limit the effects of training movement.

 

[jcw]

Interesting how much of a raise Richard got vs the pilots

 

[WorldTraveler]

Anderson reports to the board and they are the one who sets his salary.

I would bet he misses a whole lot less time than the pilots do on average and he also doesn't try to bid his schedule alongside someone else so that he can get extra time off.

I'm also sure most people don't realize that DL pilots flew on average just 43.3 block hours per month in 2014 which is lower than AA/US (who reported individually for 2014) and WN - whose pilots flew 12 hours more per month.

DL was willing with the TA to push DL pilots above WN's in terms of compensation to be some of the highest compensated pilots in the US but DL wanted improved productivity out of them in return.

 

[jcw]

So you are now saying the DL pilots have the lowest productivity of all the airlines since you are saying they fly the least amount of time

Interesting that profit sharing is such a great solution and yet DL wants to reduce it

 

[WorldTraveler]

who said ALL airlines? One major airline is missing from that list.

DL also wants to MONETIZE part of the profit sharing. When DL employees are set to receive 20% of their salary in profit sharing, there are people on both sides that want to roll part of it into their salary.

and again it is ironic how hard the union machine has tried to deny how valuable profit sharing is and now jumps on the bandwagon of criticizing any move to convert part of it into base pay.

 

[jcw]

Interesting change in terms now - monetize - which means reduce to everyone else - good for DL's mgmt that they feel the need to reduce exposure to ballooning profit sharing expenses - there is no other way to characterize it

 

[Kev3188]

Well, you can't keep putting revenue in back in the pockets of the people who actually generate it, right?

(Sarcasm, of course)