Delta Pilots come to terms with DL on London Flying

[Kev3188]

actually there is nothing preventing DL from using VS cabin crew

 

[737823]

...and no shortage of people that would champion it, if it ever came to pass...

 
 
What were the terms of NWA wanting to outsource 75% of international flying in 2005-2006 timeframe?  It was included in one of the AFA4DAL videos. 
 

 
Josh

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

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[robbedagain]

E  I believe that back in the 1990s or so when US and BA did a wet lease joint venture   Think the plane was ex US 762  and the crew was BA   I believe this is correct but if someone knows more Ill be glad to admit im wrong.    I think it lasted for 3 to 6 yrs not 100% sure on that though

 

[jcw]

you are correct - they were wet leases - painted in BA colors, etc

 

[jcw]

DL had FA swaps with SR and SN but there were DL FAs on SN and SR aircraft and vice versa.

Nothing was given up in terms of total staffing.

It just added a lot of complexity that no one decided was worth keeping.

DL isn't doing an interchange, an FA swap, or anything beyond what they currently do.

All this agreement does is ensure that the proportion of DL to VS flying is not reduced.

 
What agreement do the FA's have to prevent FA jobs being staffed for non-US FA's
 
The good news is this will help improve profitability and increase the size of the  profit sharing checks of the FA's if DL goes with foreign FA's - so the FA's will make out just fine if DL does decide to use foreign FA's
 
So the FA's should not have anything to worry about - the profit sharing checks will take care of everything

 

[WorldTraveler]

British FAs are really not much lower paid, if at all, than DL FAs.

despite the fact that you want to latch onto something that has no basis in reality, DL is not even considering outsourcing DL int'l flying to foreign FAs.

again, as noted, NW as by far the most aggressive at pushing the proposal but they backed off.

AA and UA both have longhaul flying done by foreign crews while DL has none.

It is clearly far easier for you to dream up wild and unsupported ideas than it is to defend agreements that unions have allowed to happen. DL FAs don't need a union that will deteriorate the current ACTUAL protections that they actually have.

All of the "it's on paper" blabber that we hear is offset by the reality that DL FAs fly more of their own int'l flights than any other airline.

and, again, let's note this topic is about pilots and DL pilots are taking back more domestic flying than AA or UA pilots and the VS agreement is just one more step in that direction in the int'l arena.

 

[700UW]

The crew was not BA they were US FAs no BA crew members I worked international and dealt with them every day. Only BA personnel was the station manager. Wet lease is the plane and crew a dry lease would be a BA crew and a U.S. plane.

 

[jcw]

British FAs are really not much lower paid, if at all, than DL FAs.despite the fact that you want to latch onto something that has no basis in reality

So let's get this - no one said it would happen - however it could - it seems like DL must be poorly managed if they don't think about reducing costs to improve profitability by using overseas crew bases - you would think of this as an opportunity

Let us know when you start discussing things based in reality

 

[737823]

Hoping Kev can comment on NWAs push to outsource 75% of international flying.

Josh

 

[eolesen]

It's too bad some people think that having foreign nationals working for the same company is outsourcing. (Hint: it isn't)

Good for the pilots on negotiating some job security. Too bad the other employees aren't worthy of such written guarantees from the company.

 

[WorldTraveler]

 

It's too bad some people think that having foreign nationals working for the same company is outsourcing. (Hint: it isn't)

Good for the pilots on negotiating some job security. Too bad the other employees aren't worthy of such written guarantees from the company.

from the perspective of outsourcing jobs for US employees, it is all but the same thing

It doesn't take much for multinational companies to hire employees - or retain from other employers - in the case of AA.

If DL, a non-union FA employer can have the backbone to say that they will protect jobs for US based FAs, then any thinking individual should be able to ask why unions couldn't force the same result.

AA doesn't NEED foreign FA bases.

They keep them because it reduces their costs to do so. whether they hire more FAs in those foreign bases or not, DL made the decision that it doesn't need or will retain them when they compete with US based FAs.

AA is quite comfortable with maintaining the status quo.

DL turned the status quo on its head to the benefit of its own employees.

and because of DL's investment in VS, DALPA was able to get stronger language on the size of VS relative to DL than what other US airlines have.

 

[Kev3188]

It's too bad some people think that having foreign nationals working for the same company is outsourcing. (Hint: it isn't)

Good for the pilots on negotiating some job security. Too bad the other employees aren't worthy of such written guarantees from the company.

 
+1

It's too bad so many people are comfortable with the company dictating their worth to them. I guess it's more comfortable to feel like someone is taking care of you, but it's the opposite of how a lot of us now at the Widget "grew up" in the industry, and I have a hard time wrapping my head around it.

 

[WorldTraveler]

thank you for clarifying the issue, Kev.

You don't want to let go of what you knew as a "child of the industry" (totally not intended to be offensive) while the "children of DL" (also non-offensive) have recognized over and over again that the company does manage to come thru with the goods.

You (collective) can argue that it is to keep the unions out or because DL values its employees but the outcome is the same - above average compensation in terms of growth and absolute numbers. DL employees have enjoyed the fastest growth in compensation since BK and are set to handsomely benefit from the best period of profits the US industry has ever seen.

and specific to the pilots, DL has recognized that even with a union, it is worth having strong and healthy relationships with the pilots because the DL pilots have repeatedly allowed DL to take advantage of significant strategic opportunities including the ownership in VS which has and will continue to allow DL to grow into one of the world's key markets at LHR which, just 5 years ago, DL did not serve.

As DL continues to grow its presence at LHR with the new PHL flights on the DL side and likely more growth on DL metal as well as new additions on VS metal, all DL employees will share in the benefits just as is happening across DL's system.

btw: Happy New Year to you!

 

[metopower]

As the only DL pilot on this board... Thanks for discussing the agreement on our flying.....oh wait no one is discussing it. Only outsiders and union activist from usair that seem to be still smiitten with Delta.