Rumor has it DL PHL-LHR

[WorldTraveler]

you seem really hellbent on trying to get the last word in and show your ignorance at the same time.

no, what is clearly subpar is using a narrowbody which is what AA does.

that seems to be your definition of subpar - whether it is on a widebody or not.

of perhaps being on a widebody or narrowbody has nothing to do with subpar after all?

you can't say that DL has a subpar product on a 757 because it is narrowbody but AA's is superior because it is a dinky little 321.

 

[jcw]

OMG - that is so funny
 
Look who is trying to get in the last post

 

[eolesen]

Wasn't someone complaining not too long ago about how AA's 757 on BOS-LHR wasn't a competitive product?... How can the argument for/against DL using that for PHL-LHR be any different?

 

[737823]

Wasn't someone complaining not too long ago about how AA's 757 on BOS-LHR wasn't a competitive product?... How can the argument for/against DL using that for PHL-LHR be any different?

That would be me. AA metal exited the market 04/2013 but BA is 3-4x 744/772/77W under JBV. Not that I take the flight very often I hope DL doesn't downgauge. For a market like PHL a 757 may make sense but not from a world class city like BOS.

Josh

 

[LDVAviation]

you seem really hellbent on trying to get the last word in and show your ignorance at the same time.

 
Hilarious... (The joke is on you.)

 

[jcw]

Let's not forget this one post #13 on the AA LAX-LHR second daily round trip - someone said:
 
"it does show that AA is willing to flood the market with capacity in order to keep a competitors out of the market - all the time complaining about increased competitive capacity."
 
so let's see DL is now flooding the PHL - LHR market with capacity - it's amazing once again - a move that DL makes is not flooding the market but if AA enters a market with more capacity it's called flooding

 

[zethya]

...... For a market like PHL a 757 may make sense but not from a world class city like BOS.

Josh

Once again,  ignorance is shining brightly.

 

[zethya]

My theory is that (if DL is using the AMR slot), the DL757 is testing the waters to see what business traffic materializes next summer. The actual strategic goal may be to eventually turn the route over to VS, which would provide a closer competitive product to BA's existing PHL-LHR services.  

 

[737823]

Once again,  ignorance is shining brightly.

Compare household incomes, home values, health of local economies, and BOS is far above and beyond. Sure there are nice areas of PHL but BOS is a much more dynamic and internationally focused city there is no question about it.

Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

PHL is a much more concentrated market than BOS which is why DL sees an opportunity.

BOS is and always been a more tech/education oriented city. and it has attracted a lot of global carriers and DL's still the largest int'l carrier from BOS.

PHL is no different from EWR and BOS in that DL will use its dual TATL JVs to serve different and both major parts of the both markets.

 

[topDawg]

How's that MIA-LHR route working out for DL?

PHL has never been strategically important for anyone except US. Even there, it's doubtful.

Pretty good. Fixing to go double daily.....
 

http://airlineroute.net/2012/02/24/dl-lon-apr12/
 
Update at 0400GMT 24FEB12
As per 24FEB12 GDS Inventory display, DELTA from 17APR12 is adjusting service to London. Atlanta – London Gatwick and Miami – London Heathrow service will be cancelled starting this date (London departure from 18APR12).
DELTA first entered London market with Gatwick service since 1978, and Miami – London Heathrow service was launched in March 2011. Reservation for these routes are now closed.
Schedule:

Atlanta – London Gatwick (Airline previously planned to change to A330-200 from 16MAY12)
DL012 ATL1725 – 0700+1LGW 767 D
DL011 LGW0900 – 1300ATL 767 D
Miami – London Heathrow
DL260 MIA1820 – 0830+1LHR 767 D
DL261 LHR1030 – 1530MIA 767 D

Delta has MIA-LHR flights via Virgin now. 
 

Which doesn't tell us a whole lot.  Are those departures from those airports or to those airports?  If from those airports, then to where?  If its 3 daily departures from JFK to BUF and 5 to CMH, it's not so very strategic regardless of what WT might spin up.

in a thread about London flying........
 
 
and not only that but Delta doesn't have a JV with any carrier on domestic flying. No one does. 
 

So how, exactly, does the joint venture with VS help ensure success on PHL-LHR?   

Despite the AA/BA joint venture,  AA/BA hasn't begun DTW-LHR or CVG-LHR or MSP-LHR.   
 
VS flies to a few places beyond LHR, offering theoretical connection opportunities, but DL already flies nonstop to nearly all of them.  

I don't think anyone said it ensures success, but its an easy way to get an extra LHR slots. 
 

 
Even the EU could not pass the laugh test on that one.  (None of DL's native markets are that important.)

huh? Okay so you don't know how this works at all then. 
 
DTW or MSP are less important than PHL? 
 
and its generally based on monopolies. Of course in when comparing DL/VS to AA/BA, taking flying from DL to give it BA is not breaking any monopolies. Its just adding to the already much larger airline.  
 

Correct - it will be easy to fill a subpar 757 into LHR

What is subpar about Delta's 75S? 
and your also saying United has subpar flying in to LHR also then yes? (and AA does or did. LHR-BOS was/is a 757 BTW) 
 

yes - however once again - it's a sub par aircraft into a premium market
 
don't feel threatened at all - I say bring it on - they have not dented US on the CDG route and will have no impact on LHR
 
best of luck to DL with the worst aircraft serving that route

Why exactly? Because its a 757? 
 
Well that might one of the dumbest things I have heard. The A330 is sub par cause it was made in France. See I can say stupid things too. 
 

Wasn't someone complaining not too long ago about how AA's 757 on BOS-LHR wasn't a competitive product?... How can the argument for/against DL using that for PHL-LHR be any different?

Have you been on an AA 75L? 
 
DL's 757 have AVOD nose to tail and lie-flat seats in J. 
 
AA's 757 have recycled non-lie flats and LCDs. Delta's hard product is a lot better than the AA 75L.  

 

[jcw]

So let's see - DL is the only one who can use it's TATL JV to compete or alliance - WRONG
 
Star is much bigger in BOS that Sky - reaches many more cities than DL
 
OneWorld reaches the pacific from BOS
 
So when you pull everything together - as you would in say any other market DL is not the biggest
 
DL has nice reach - LHR, AMS, FCO, CDG
 
UA has great reach - FRA, MUC, ZRH, IST, several Canadian cities
 
AA reaches europe and the pacific unlike anyone - LHR, PEK, NRT, MAD - soon to be HKG as well
 
So if we say DL is the strongest on their own metal - yes - however you threw in JV so on that basis they don't win

 

[topDawg]

So let's see - DL is the only one who can use it's TATL JV to compete or alliance - WRONG
 
Star is much bigger in BOS that Sky - reaches many more cities than DL
 
OneWorld reaches the pacific from BOS
 
So when you pull everything together - as you would in say any other market DL is not the biggest
 
DL has nice reach - LHR, AMS, FCO, CDG
 
UA has great reach - FRA, MUC, ZRH, IST, several Canadian cities
 
AA reaches europe and the pacific unlike anyone - LHR, PEK, NRT, MAD - soon to be HKG as well
 
So if we say DL is the strongest on their own metal - yes - however you threw in JV so on that basis they don't win

Who exactly does AA have a JV with that has flights to PEK or HKG? 
 
Also UA who has flights to IST? 

 

[jcw]

CX is adding HKG and Hainan Airlines flies to PEK
 
TY is adding IST

 

[737823]

CX is adding HKG and Hainan Airlines flies to PEK
 
TY is adding IST

CX comes online in May. LY adds TLV in June.

The other two are already flying.

In the past several years CM has added PTY, EK to DXB, JL to NRT, and dozens of new B6 flights.

Josh