Why there will never be a T.A.

[bob@las-AA]

This is a page out of the M.O.U. that formed the association. Paragraph "D" clearly states that both a comittee majority AND both the chair and vice chair must agree to bring a t.a. to vote.
Why would the iam bring anything back? If the company offers anything they dont like i.e. medical,pension,catering,different color toilet paper they have total veto power
Its a little clearer why the company went to jetnet, PROBABLY because half of the association is not very interested in a j.c.b.a.

Fake news, somehow a tiebreak will accrue.

 

[Rusty Hilock]

Maybe here is a good argument AGAINST multiemployer pension plans:

http://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/tops-teamster-workers-fuming-over-loss-of-pensions/1209325468

NO MAYBE PERIOD!!!
Run as Far Away as Possible from a Multi-employer Plan BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING BROKE! The Multi-Employer Plans are like a stick of dynamite with the fuse lit.

Must read from the very people who oversee pensions.

https://www.pbgc.gov/news/press/releases/pr18-02


Like the old Star Kist Tuna Commercial : Sorry [Charlie] LUS-IAM Folks.

If I were in your shoes I would want to be in a 9% 401K YESTERDAY.

 

[WeAAsles]

Fake news, somehow a tiebreak will accrue.

Somehow?

Sorry Bob but he’s right. Read the agreement for yourself. There is no tie breaker written for Negotiations.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Somehow?

Sorry Bob but he’s right. Read the agreement for yourself. There is no tie breaker written for Negotiations.

Weez, check section 9.

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9. All disputes between TWU and IAM growing out of or involving the interpretation,
application or enforcement of the Association Constitution, Including this
Agreement, shall be submitted to the International Presidents of TWU and IAM, or
to their designated representatives. If the dispute cannot be resolved by the International Presidents or their designated representatives, it may be submitted
by either Labor Partner for final and binding resolution to an Impartial Umpire
either selected by the parties, or, if they are unable to agree upon a neutral,
selected from a list of seven names of available neutral arbitrators provided by the
American Arbitration Association or other agreed upon neutral organization with
each side making alternate strikes, with the moving party striking first, until one
name ls left or the parties agree on a neutral.

 

[AANOTOK]

Weez, check section 9.

.
9. All disputes between TWU and IAM growing out of or involving the interpretation,
application or enforcement of the Association Constitution, Including this
Agreement, shall be submitted to the International Presidents of TWU and IAM, or
to their designated representatives. If the dispute cannot be resolved by the International Presidents or their designated representatives, it may be submitted
by either Labor Partner for final and binding resolution to an Impartial Umpire
either selected by the parties, or, if they are unable to agree upon a neutral,
selected from a list of seven names of available neutral arbitrators provided by the
American Arbitration Association or other agreed upon neutral organization with
each side making alternate strikes, with the moving party striking first, until one
name ls left or the parties agree on a neutral.

The fact that this even exists among two (or is it one) parties supposedly fighting
against a common foe (AA) speaks volumes about the legitimacy of this Association.

 

[dfw gen]

Weez, check section 9.
That should add a year or two to the process...
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9. All disputes between TWU and IAM growing out of or involving the interpretation,
application or enforcement of the Association Constitution, Including this
Agreement, shall be submitted to the International Presidents of TWU and IAM, or
to their designated representatives. If the dispute cannot be resolved by the International Presidents or their designated representatives, it may be submitted
by either Labor Partner for final and binding resolution to an Impartial Umpire
either selected by the parties, or, if they are unable to agree upon a neutral,
selected from a list of seven names of available neutral arbitrators provided by the
American Arbitration Association or other agreed upon neutral organization with
each side making alternate strikes, with the moving party striking first, until one
name ls left or the parties agree on a neutral.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez, check section 9.

.
9. All disputes between TWU and IAM growing out of or involving the interpretation,
application or enforcement of the Association Constitution, Including this
Agreement, shall be submitted to the International Presidents of TWU and IAM, or
to their designated representatives. If the dispute cannot be resolved by the International Presidents or their designated representatives, it may be submitted
by either Labor Partner for final and binding resolution to an Impartial Umpire
either selected by the parties, or, if they are unable to agree upon a neutral,
selected from a list of seven names of available neutral arbitrators provided by the
American Arbitration Association or other agreed upon neutral organization with
each side making alternate strikes, with the moving party striking first, until one
name ls left or the parties agree on a neutral.

Actually check out Article 4.2 Paragraph D. What you shared was a remedy to resolve any disputes involving the “interpretation” of the actual Constitution itself.

Article 4.2, D doesn’t seem to leave any room for misinterpretation.

http://www.twulocal568.org/docs/TWU IAM Association Constitution.pdf

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez, check section 9.

.
9. All disputes between TWU and IAM growing out of or involving the interpretation,
application or enforcement of the Association Constitution, Including this
Agreement, shall be submitted to the International Presidents of TWU and IAM, or
to their designated representatives. If the dispute cannot be resolved by the International Presidents or their designated representatives, it may be submitted
by either Labor Partner for final and binding resolution to an Impartial Umpire
either selected by the parties, or, if they are unable to agree upon a neutral,
selected from a list of seven names of available neutral arbitrators provided by the
American Arbitration Association or other agreed upon neutral organization with
each side making alternate strikes, with the moving party striking first, until one
name ls left or the parties agree on a neutral.

Oh and part 2 here myself and Old NYer went round and round quite a few times on as well. Always hoped someone else would pick up and point this piece out to him, but alas no one ever did.

Basically the “Association” only really exists for the purpose of Collective Bargaining after which the TWU and IAM can basically go their Merry Way except for a few meetings per year under contractual obligations and any other outside the agreement endeavors they may decide to pursue together.

 

[swamt]

Someone please give this man some money cause obviously that’s all he cares about.

No. Not at all. He cares about the membership and YOU cannot see that, so sad.

BTW don’t forget that even though my good friend NYer and others have said publicly that they don’t want to wait for any other groups to be ready to vote. We’re all in this together. I highly doubt that any group is going to break ranks so the opposition can see us divided and conquered.

Oh! Now we are all in this together huh weez?? C'mon man.

 

[swamt]

Weez, check section 9.

.
9. All disputes between TWU and IAM growing out of or involving the interpretation,
application or enforcement of the Association Constitution, Including this
Agreement, shall be submitted to the International Presidents of TWU and IAM, or
to their designated representatives. If the dispute cannot be resolved by the International Presidents or their designated representatives, it may be submitted
by either Labor Partner for final and binding resolution to an Impartial Umpire
either selected by the parties, or, if they are unable to agree upon a neutral,
selected from a list of seven names of available neutral arbitrators provided by the
American Arbitration Association or other agreed upon neutral organization with
each side making alternate strikes, with the moving party striking first, until one
name ls left or the parties agree on a neutral.

Are you MF kidding me??? This verbaige is in your contract that no one voted on??? Unbelievable people, when will you all learn? Enough is enough, get a clue people.

The fact that this even exists among two (or is it one) parties supposedly fighting
against a common foe (AA) speaks volumes about the legitimacy of this Association.

Exactly sir.

 

[B737 driver]

Oh and part 2 here myself and Old NYer went round and round quite a few times on as well. Always hoped someone else would pick up and point this piece out to him, but alas no one ever did.

Basically the “Association” only really exists for the purpose of Collective Bargaining after which the TWU and IAM can basically go their Merry Way except for a few meetings per year under contractual obligations and any other outside the agreement endeavors they may decide to pursue together.

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So if USair no longer exist, once you reach a JCBA, which union handles the grievances?

 

[WeAAsles]

So if USair no longer exist, once you reach a JCBA, which union handles the grievances?

Whichever Union (TWU or IAM) represents the city you work in.

 

[Kev3188]

We certified it.

Who's "we?"

 

[WeAAsles]

Who's "we?"

Actually it was certified around 70 years ago when the two separate Labor groups petitioned to join the TWU and IAM Unions. The Constitutions of those two Unions gave them the authority to enter into a deal authorizing the Association to collectively bargain for the entirety of both.

The Association was certified by the NMB without a NEW vote with the original authority held intact that the two Unions combined already held 95% of the Class and Crafts.

Now of course many don’t like that decision of course but don’t argue with me. Go argue with the Labor groups Constitutions AND the National Medication Board. (I’m just telling you like it is)

 

[767 mechanic]

What happened was the twu and the iam lobbied the NMB. Telling them that they had the right to speak on the members behalf and to allow the association without a vote. Meanwhile they were telling the membership that we would have a vote. Little, lombardo, garcia, samuelson along with others all of them new about this and lied to the membership. Buffenbarger and his cronies from the iam and trumka from the afl-cio are just as responsible. None of these worthless b######s are concerned about the membership. They are only concerned about dues.