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2008 New International Destinations

Which Cities Would You Like to See in 2008 for New International Service?

  • Warsaw, Poland

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  • Oslo, Norway

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  • Copenhagen, Denmark

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  • Moscow,Russia

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  • Birmingham,UK

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  • Hamburg,Germany

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  • Lyons, France

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  • Tel Aviv, Israel

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  • Tokyo, Japan

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  • Helsinki, Finland

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HOW ABOUT FLYING TO SOUTH AMERICA (BRASIL..ARGENTINA...CHILE 🙂
Brazil would be the best, but difficult to get available flights there, correct me if I am wrong on that. Argentina a good market. But I believe it would be wiser to build pressence in cities not that outreach. For South America, I would start out in Caracus, Bogota, and spread south. There is alot of routes to make money off of, let's just hope they pick the right routes.
 
...I think you're over-estimating the market from USA to former eastern European countires such as Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary. Sure, American tourists flood those cities/countries in the summer, but what about the rest of the year? People in those countries typically earn ~$10-15000 per year, they're NOT going to take vacations in the USA, and definitely NOT to PHL or PIT or CLT or PHX. Plus each of those countries flag carriers offers service to the USA: usually to JFK (OK, LOT, Malev) and usually at cheap prices (Czech Airlines prices in the off season ~$500 tops)....
Most of these routes are hevily supported by Cargo, regardless of where they enter the U.S. and by passengers who connect to other cities on the network. Your assumption that low wage tourists would prefer cities like NYC or LAX is quite incorrect. They cannot afford to visit the typical tourist venues of those cities and instead prefer places like Disney World, Las Vegas, but principally large ethnic communities where friends/relatives reside. Connections to those cities can be as easily had through PHL than JFK or ORD. There is little assumption these routes, except possibly for Moscow would be supportable by premium traffic. Seasonal traffic is easily supportable as long as there are acceptable Yields eastbound as most everyone needs to Return.

The next major US routes will probably be TLV and MOW - as long as new aircraft become available as scheduled. LOT has been rumored to start PHL-WAW services next year.

It seems Asia is going to be where the money is to be made. Most of the west coast flights to NRT HKG and TPE are heavily booked year round. But would definantly need code sharing with someone once there.
US already has a (new) code share agreement with SQ, which can easily be expanded to an appropriate gateway.
 
Most of these routes are hevily supported by Cargo, regardless of where they enter the U.S. and by passengers who connect to other cities on the network.

1) Cargo: the majority (~75%) of goods produced in the former communist eastern European countries is traded within the EU. I doubt there is enough cargo there for US to make a profit.

2) Connecting passengers: what is the incentive for connecting in PHL? US will have to beat others on price. While this is achievable, is this what US really wants? I don't see the premium traffic from PHL to eastern Europe.

Your assumption that low wage tourists would prefer cities like NYC or LAX is quite incorrect. They cannot afford to visit the typical tourist venues of those cities and instead prefer places like Disney World, Las Vegas, but principally large ethnic communities where friends/relatives reside. Connections to those cities can be as easily had through PHL than JFK or ORD.

I think your assumption that eastern Europeans will connect in PHL to go to Disney or Vegas is wrong! For vacation they will mostly go to the Mediteranian (Greece, Spain, Italy etc.) where they will pay ~$100 for a charter flight. Much more affordable than travel to USA. Their other option is to hop on a European LCC (Ryanair, Easyjet, Skyeurope) and explore western Europe cities before visiting the USA. When they do travel to USA they have a choice of: 1) flying the national carrier to JFK or ORD and connecting, or 2) flying to FRA/CDG/LHR/AMS etc. and taking LH/AF/BA/KL etc. to some major US city that that carrier serves where their US relatives will meet them (and most likely drive even up to 2hr to the final destination).
 
Actually the Euro is at an all time high today against the dollar, that means things like hotels and meals in Europe would be more expensive for us but makes traveling to the US for a vacation a bit less expensive for people spending Euros, thus they'd be more likely to visit us here.
 
LOT has been rumored to start PHL-WAW services next year.

I heard that, too. According to my source, LOT wants a PHL-WAW and WAW-PHL because US simply suggested they might add it. LOT was none too pleased.

Of course, saying and doing are two different things, but if LOT follows through, the revenue potential is outstanding, and I'm guessing they'll make a pretty good profit off of the route, especially in freight.
 
HOW ABOUT FLYING TO SOUTH AMERICA (BRASIL..ARGENTINA...CHILE 🙂

My thoughts exactly! Also Costa Rica, Honduras, Belize, Panama, Alaska, Mexico, from LAS, PHX, or LAX. Why are all of the international destinations pumped into the east coast? There are cities other than PHL that can generate revenue. Try spreading the wealth.
 
The Phillie Factor is location,location. If you drew a 90 mile diameter circle around PHL. You would see demographically that it sits near dead center in the most densely populated section on the east coast , drawing from the NY market to the northeast and DC to the south. Thus creating a huge originating market. ATC wise that is PHL curse though , sitting between NY center and DC center, PHL is the stepchild then.
 
My thoughts exactly! Also Costa Rica, Honduras, Belize, Panama, Alaska, Mexico, from LAS, PHX, or LAX. Why are all of the international destinations pumped into the east coast? There are cities other than PHL that can generate revenue. Try spreading the wealth.
Costa Rica, Mexico, Alaska are flown from PHX. Belize, Honduras, Mexico City are flown from CLT, not PHL. I think that the reason for PHX not having those extra flights down there is that LAX has alot of nonstops and trying to pull from there will be futile. Alaska flies alot of Mexico routes, but could US compete with AS? I believe PHX will get more international flights, but its just gonna have to come when they get the aircraft. Right now they are stating 3 New additional places next year, and where are those planes coming from? If they get 4 A340's and they happen to get that China route, that will take 2 of them 340's as well as Tel Aviv. And any South American routes will mostly tie up 2 aircraft. Its nice to say that you fly to Rio, but having that plane sit there 12 hours isn't making no money. Moscow would be tight with just 1 aircraft. Unless they get some other European returns scheduled earlier. PHL-FRA for example, US doesn't need 2 flights within 15 minutes of each other, I am talking about LH flight and a US Flight. Utilize the Code Share to US' advantage there. The one flight could leave early to mid AM from FRA. There are hundreds of possibilities that they could offer, but until they get more aircraft, their hands are tied. On ordering the new 787/A350 whichever one it is, order extra, not more than just for replacements. They should order about 10-15 more than they actually need. Don't cut yourself short, US could sub-lease them if need be, but I think they could use them.
 
Philly has a huge polish community. It woud go over very well here in philly.
 
The codeshare does not make money for cargo, cargo is a huge revenue source for the European flights.

That is why US flies to FRA as well as LH.
 
The codeshare does not make money for cargo, cargo is a huge revenue source for the European flights.

That is why US flies to FRA as well as LH.
I am not disputing that point, the point I am making, Spread out the flights, the cargo will be there if it departs at 8am or 10am. If they LH and US have flights that are departing within minutes of each other, they are not using the Codeshare to its fullest. If they spread out the time, they may draw more passengers on the time of departure.
 
If you look at most flight to Europe, except out of places like LAX, JFK, IAD and LAX, they most of the flights leave in the afternoon or evening, to maximize connections and probably also has to do with the slots they have at the European Airports.

And if they leave in the evening, they arrive in Europe early morning.
 
If you look at most flight to Europe, except out of places like LAX, JFK, IAD and LAX, they most of the flights leave in the afternoon or evening, to maximize connections and probably also has to do with the slots they have at the European Airports.
PHL-FRA E/B Times are OK its the W/B 11:10-12:50 and 13:20 departures with the 12:50 getting in at 10 minutes prior to LH 13:20 flight. Maybe they should move up the 12:50 to maybe an 8:30 flight which would get in PHL at 11:00-11:15. It will also give US a extra gate in PHL around 4pm. They have 3 Flights, just doesn't need to be at the same time, spread it out.
 
For South America, I would start out in Caracas, Bogota, and spread south. There is alot of routes to make money off of, let's just hope they pick the right routes.

Wow, could you pick two of the biggest unstable hotbeds in South America as gateways? You can rule out Caracas, Venezuela while left-wing America-hating radical President Hugo Chavez is in power. Bogota, Colombia is pretty messed up, too, with the power struggles between Colombian drug lords and the Government. I would not want a layover in either one of these cities!
 
Wow, could you pick two of the biggest unstable hotbeds in South America as gateways? You can rule out Caracas, Venezuela while left-wing America-hating radical President Hugo Chavez is in power. Bogota, Colombia is pretty messed up, too, with the power struggles between Colombian drug lords and the Government. I would not want a layover in either one of these cities!
I didn't mean it to come out as those 2 cities, but start at the top and spread down. Those are the only 2 cities off the top of my head that I know where are geographically without consulting an atlas.
 
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