2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[P. REZ]

 
You make a good point. I'll stick to using full names with officials employed by other airlines then.

UnitedWeStand,
 
It is pretty obvious to everyone who I am, so using my name is no problem for me personally. P. Rez or Rez is what people have called me at work over the years and that is why I used instead of my name Pat Rezler.
 
P. Rez

 

[roabilly]

UnitedWeStand,
 
It is pretty obvious to everyone who I am, so using my name is no problem for me personally. P. Rez or Rez is what people have called me at work over the years and that is why I used instead of my name Pat Rezler.
 
P. Rez

P. Rez...
 
I would like to thank you for being the stand-up guy you are.. when you first came into the IAM from west, we were all skeptical. You have more than exceeded what we expected and what was required. you do not play the personal agenda card, or politics as does CB and others from the team...
 
I wish we had more folks like you and CB...

 

[Tim Nelson]

A freudian slip maybe? We have tried to explain this to you before, nominations and the actual election results are miles apart.

huh? Kindly reread what i said, especially immediately after the part you placed in bold.
An incredible amount of hard work left but it was encouraging to me and humbling to secure the nominations of the top 8 locals (ord iah ewr sfo sfo den iad lax) and your station along with many other small stations im thankful for including san yesterday.

As the only class two station candidate ill bring a unique perspective as well if elected.
Truly exciting times for those who are unified for change.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I agree and i think its a moot point but it still needs to be hashed out. I see the point though. Its just another thing that has to be addressed with the membership on why we need to keep this sec 6 leverage because going right to  TA talks leave us vulnerable and no NMB involvement for years to come

You are alot more hopeful than myself that AH wouldnt take complete advantage of this. The present section 6 talks have him cornered better but transition talks are not section 6 talks and usually take at minimum 3 years to negotiate. With the last merger with us it was 3 years to the day. United ramp was 4 years. Many transition negotiations at united are approaching 5 years.

That time bomb date is real and a steak dinner served up to AH. Its only about 2.5 years away and we arent even close to joint talks.

Its going to be hard as heck to protect those stations regardless of who the leaders are.

 

[NYer]

As ramp only has ramp in alaska (the state). The contract was fatal since the nc failed to address scope. The customer service contract has grandfather rights so at least that has more protection. We have to keep our unions accountable and everyone should realize that sAA only has 17 stations but many of them can get whacked after their cinderella dates expire. Also the sUA only has 7 stations with no flight activity protections. Of the employees in those 7 UA stations, part time is becoming king as the company has already mobilized 650 ft into pt in 3 short months. United may be 80% part time in a year.
so it is plain to see that the unions are bailing out in non hub stations but protecting their membership count by signing off on unlimited part time. And im not talking bankrupt contracts.

We need to make sure the iam doesnt F us at usairways like they did at united so it is vital that we press our nc and union on these matters.

Cinderella dates? Where do you come up with these things. You lose credibility in a daily basis.

 

[WeAAsles]

You are alot more hopeful than myself that AH wouldnt take complete advantage of this. The present section 6 talks have him cornered better but transition talks are not section 6 talks and usually take at minimum 3 years to negotiate. With the last merger with us it was 3 years to the day. United ramp was 4 years. Many transition negotiations at united are approaching 5 years.

That time bomb date is real and a steak dinner served up to AH. Its only about 2.5 years away and we arent even close to joint talks.

Its going to be hard as heck to protect those stations regardless of who the leaders are.

Another Tim Nelson tactic I notice. Ignore any reality or measure of common sense and continue to perpetuate the myth. The myth that either has no basis in fact or detracts from the doom and gloom scenarios he likes to invent. It's a very Republican, Fox news type of tactic that they employ all too frequently today.

If Tim were a true Politician his many claims would probably have been exposed on Fact Check .org by now.

 

[mike33]

You are alot more hopeful than myself that AH wouldnt take complete advantage of this. The present section 6 talks have him cornered better but transition talks are not section 6 talks and usually take at minimum 3 years to negotiate. With the last merger with us it was 3 years to the day. United ramp was 4 years. Many transition negotiations at united are approaching 5 years.

That time bomb date is real and a steak dinner served up to AH. Its only about 2.5 years away and we arent even close to joint talks.

Its going to be hard as heck to protect those stations regardless of who the leaders are.

  My hopefulness stems from the fact that the company quantifies the past Flt activity on certain dates ! only problem is that those dates arrive after Jan 1` 2017....or include the fly activity preceding july which leaves 6 months of flts till jan 2017.
 
 
" [SIZE=12pt]Annual departure threshold for initial[/SIZE] determination of stations to be impacted will be based on the most current January 2013 look back report provided to the TWU as obligated under the current Article 1(c) language. Thereafter[SIZE=12pt], the determination of the scheduled departures will be made each January 1 and July 1 and will consider the prior [/SIZE]twelve (12) month period. "
 
​Am i wrong or is AH not that smart and didn't scenario this ? 

 

[Tim Nelson]

My hopefulness stems from the fact that the company quantifies the past Flt activity on certain dates ! only problem is that those dates arrive after Jan 1` 2017....or include the fly activity preceding july which leaves 6 months of flts till jan 2017.
 
 
" Annual departure threshold for initial determination of stations to be impacted will be based on the most current January 2013 look back report provided to the TWU as obligated under the current Article 1(c) language. Thereafter[/SIZE], the determination of the scheduled departures will be made each January 1 and July 1 and will consider the prior twelve (12) month period. "[/SIZE]
 
​Am i wrong or is AH not that smart and didn't scenario this ?

You are correct, the determination of flight activity is a look back. That look back determination can then be used to contract out a station if it falls below the threashold. What is significant is that the bar gets raised one day before. Thats the big elephant in the room that myself and Prez have discussed. There is a reason that management put that there. We had that language in one of our prior contracts. Ill dig it up for the conversation sake.

 

[mike33]

You are correct, the determination of flight activity is a look back. That look back determination can then be used to contract out a station if it falls below the threashold. What is significant is that the bar gets raised one day before. Thats the big elephant in the room that myself and Prez have discussed. There is a reason that management put that there. We had that language in one of our prior contracts. Ill dig it up for the conversation sake.

No need to research. I realize that the winter/spring numbers used from july previous would impact them on dec 31 if the language and intent were used, but it's still annual!,  and july is the only annual you can use for a supposedly drop date of 31 dec 2016 ! You actually think that they have thought that far ahead?. 
 I may be wrong though. I give them aloft of credit but not that much. Thats Houdini type stuff because they have us and sec 6 as their White Elephant !!!!
 
Lets not create more than we can chew here. Lets concentrate on getting sec 6 accomplished and then go after that language in JCBA.                  Focus!   Focus!   Focus!

 

[Tim Nelson]

No need to research. I realize that the winter/spring numbers used from july previous would impact them on dec 31 if the language and intent were used, but it's still annual!,  and july is the only annual you can use for a supposedly drop date of 31 dec 2016 ! You actually think that they have thought that far ahead?. 
 I may be wrong though. I give them aloft of credit but not that much. Thats Houdini type stuff because they have us and sec 6 as their White Elephant !!!!
 
Lets not create more than we can chew here. Lets concentrate on getting sec 6 accomplished and then go after that language in JCBA.                  Focus!   Focus!   Focus!

That is how you focus, with a 5 year plan. Negotiating today necessarily means you have to recognize what is already known 3 years from now in the sAA contract including its wages and drop dead date. Im sure our nc is very aware of these things as it heges with a section 6 contract

 

[mike33]

That is how you focus, with a 5 year plan. Negotiating today necessarily means you have to recognize what is already known 3 years from now in the sAA contract including its wages and drop dead date. Im sure our nc is very aware of these things as it heges with a section 6 contract

I agree in normal circumstances but these are not normal. Our leverage is going to become unprecedented real soon.....IMO
 
And all the AA guys will be watching i hope. Because, this is how it should be done if we stick to the course.
 
 
Lock - N - Load !  In-It-To-Win-It !

 

[Tim Nelson]

I agree in normal circumstances but these are not normal. Our leverage is going to become unprecedented real soon.....IMO
 
And all the AA guys will be watching i hope. Because, this is how it should be done if we stick to the course.
 
 
Lock - N - Load !  In-It-To-Win-It !

i couldnt have said it any better.

 

[mike33]

i couldnt have said it any better.

  I would love to us the expression ....." CHECKMATE "

 

[P. REZ]

P. Rez...
 
I would like to thank you for being the stand-up guy you are.. when you first came into the IAM from west, we were all skeptical. You have more than exceeded what we expected and what was required. you do not play the personal agenda card, or politics as does CB and others from the team...
 
I wish we had more folks like you and CB...

roabilly,
 
thank you

 

[NYer]

Cinderella dates? Where do you come up with these things. You lose credibility on a daily basis.